Paris Airport Bleg:
Pardon the bleg, but I wonder if Paris-based (or just Paris-familiar) readers can help me with something. I'm flying to Israel to give a talk at Tel Aviv University Law School next week, and when I fly back to the States on Saturday, December 20th, I will have a 12-hour stopover at Paris's Charles de Gaulle Airport. My flight from Tel Aviv arrives in Paris at 10pm, and my flight to DC departs at 10 am. So here's the bleg: Any ideas for stuff I realistically could do out in Paris during that stopover, preferably things involving good beer? I don't speak any French and don't know Paris, but going out for a few hours seems like more fun than just sitting in the airport overnight or getting a nearby hotel room to crash.

(While I am in shameless bleg mode, I, too, know of a great apartment rental in Arlington for the Obama inauguration that is soon to go up on CraigsList — e-mail me if interested. No, it's not mine...)
TRE:
People traditionally drink good wine when in Paris, Orin.
12.8.2008 1:23am
Ilya Somin:
You might be able to hire a taxi and take a brief tour of some key landmarks (e.g. - the Eiffel Tower, Arc de Triomphe, etc.).

But note that Charles De Gaulle, is a VERY inefficiently run airport. It once took me 2 hours to catch a connecting flight there, which I ended up almost missing as a result. So leave plenty of time to catch your flight to the US.
12.8.2008 1:24am
OrinKerr:
TRE,

Objection: Relevance.

Besides, it's not far from Belgium, right?
12.8.2008 1:32am
Francis (mail):
Go to the Louvre, and eat at one of the brasseries on Ile St. Louis or Ile de la Cite (where Notre Dame is located). All of this is walking distance in the 1st Arrondissment and everyone will speak some English.
12.8.2008 1:39am
Cardozo'd (www):
Do Frenchmen speak english like the rest of europe seems to and choose not to or do they just not speak english?
12.8.2008 1:53am
Bama 1L:
The Louvre is especially boring while it's closed.

If you arrive at CDG at 10pm, the soonest you can possibly be in the famous parts of Paris (without baggage) is a little before 11pm, assuming you rush for the exit and get a fast taxi right away. Tour the City of Lights by night? For a 10am flight, you must leave Paris by 6am at the very latest (the morning traffic is horrible and it's not a very fast airport).

C'est à dire, you probably don't have time to get a beer anywhere other than the airport bar nor to stay further away than an airport hotel.

In my experience CDG's services shut down around 10pm and don't recommence operations until 6am. I don't think you're allowed to stay overnight; there's certainly a law against sleeping in the public areas of the airport.

Also be aware that there is nowhere to leave baggage in CDG. If you take your bags, you will have to carry them around. I guess that's common now.
12.8.2008 1:56am
Alaska Jack (mail):
I wish I could meet you there, Orin. It would be a good opportunity for me to pay you that beer it seems like I owe you from somewhere.

- Alaska Jack Jack who is not, has never been and never will be an Alaskan. I swear. Really.
12.8.2008 1:58am
Brett Marston:
The airport's a real hike from the city. But you could do worse than heading down to the center of town - finding a bar with a heat lamp on the south side of the Seine and drinking away a few hours. Le Petit Pont is touristy but it's easy to find, right across from Notre Dame. Probably if I had the time and thought I'd make it before the kitchen closes, I'd get some fancy north african food at L'Atlas at the corner of Boulevard Saint-Germain and Rue du Cardinal Lemoine. A few years ago I had a quail tagine there that was unforgettable. One site says that the kitchen is open until 2:00. The wait staff was pretty friendly, in french at least.

http://www.latlas.fr/
12.8.2008 2:01am
Perfect Sense (mail):
At the airport, you can buy an all day train ticket that good on both the RER and metro lines. The(RER) train runs from the airport the center of Paris. Get off at St. Michel ND (the blue line as I recall). This is across the river from Notre Dame. After visiting Notre Dame, take a Taxi (stand about 100 yards in front of the Cathedral), to Arch of Triumph. Walk down the entire Champ d'Elysees. to Place de Concord. If it is still daylight, continue walking trough Tuileriers Gardens (it closes after dark) to the Louvre and the Glass Pyramid.

About the best French beer is 1664.
12.8.2008 2:08am
Freddy Hill:
Unfortunately you will have little time. Realistically you will get to the city about midnight. The idea of a taxi is not bad. Just ask the driver to take you to Notre Dame, Ile St Louis, Invalides, Eiffel, Etoile...

You could find a small hotel in the 5th Arrondissement (Latin Quarter) and wake up early to walk the ancient streets (unfortunately it will be dark until late this time of year). Or if your taste runs to luxury hotels you could stay at the Concorde Lafayette near Porte Maillot and have a drink in the bar on top. The panoramic view will give you an idea of the beauty of the city and will incent you to come back with more time, which is what you should do.
12.8.2008 2:30am
Perfect Sense (mail):
Oops. I misread the times. So disregard my advice about taking the RER train into town. A cab ride around town is not a bad idea as most of the major monuments have floodlights.
12.8.2008 2:36am
Freddy Hill:
@Perfect Sense: The best French beer is Belgian.
12.8.2008 2:42am
gwinje:
Professor Kerr,

You might be over thinking this. Go with your instincts. There will be tons of locals working at the airport that will enjoy telling you (in English) what train you should get on and what stop you should get of at. If your carry on load is light, you can walk straight to the train and spend the ride into town practicing your pronounciation of "Une bière, s'il vous plaît" and deciding what kind of beer you want.

It is true, though, that on a 12 hour stopover, you should only allow for about four hours of beer in the middle to make sure the frogs don't gwinje you.
12.8.2008 2:43am
Raționalitate (www):
Sounds like a huge pain in the ass, and won't you be tired? I'd suggest taking a tour of Charles de Gaulle airport. I don't know if this works if you use the outside-the-passport shuttles, since they'd check your passport when you came in, but there's a within-the-airport shuttle bus route below all the terminals, at the groundlevel, and you can tour all of the terminals. Very interesting to see the contrast between them – I've spent a lot of time in the one with the flights to Eastern Europe, and it can be pretty interesting. Watch the lines for different flights and look at all the people from different places and try to pick out differences and similarities and stuff. And of course, notice the foods and services in each of them. French airport food is very good, so if you have an appetite, this could sustain you for a while.
12.8.2008 2:58am
MAC (mail):
Sorry, but I am probably going to have to second what Bama 1L said. CDG is quite a ways from any attractions in Paris and catching the RER train back to the airport for a 10 am flight would be touch and go, it doesn't start running until 6 or maybe even 7 am if I remember correctly. So a taxi is your only feasible option, and plan on it being expensive.

That said, if you still want to go make sure your bags are checked through for your connecting flight just ask the taxi driver to take you to St. Michel and follow the crowd into the Latin Quarter. There are lots of restaurants and bars and you will be able to see Notre Dame and walk around the heart of old Paris. This area is active until at least 2 am or so and I have never felt unsafe.

There are a number of hotels within a few minutes shuttle ride of the airport. Most of them will have bars and are reasonable. If you are on expenses, I would book a room at the CDG Sheraton (~$500/night). It is right in terminal 2, literally steps from the arrival gates, which is the arrival/departure terminal for most North American flights.
12.8.2008 4:34am
Bruce_M (mail) (www):
Wear a George W. Bush t-shirt and tell the French people at the airport how much they smell for 12 whole hours. In addition to being cathartic, it will improve French-US relations.
12.8.2008 6:14am
Gerard Magliocca (mail):
Orin,

Harry's New York Bar is open 'till 4AM. (It's near the Opera House -- a pretty impressive sight.) Fitzgerald and Hemingway drank themselves silly there. Why not you? (And, as I was there on Saturday, I can say that they make great martinis, though I'm sure the beer is terrific too.)

Gerard
12.8.2008 6:24am
Litigator-London:
I suggest you check your luggage through to Tel Aviv if that is at all possible - the airline should tell you - if so you will save about an hour at Charles de Gaulle on arrival because you won't have to wait for your bags. Otherwise you will need to allow about 1 hour to clear immigration and customs. The Express Metro (RER) runs into Paris from the terminal. The last train into town leaves well after midnight and the first trains from town to the airport start up at about 5 am so you can get back. If your flight is to depart at 10 am, you would be advised to be back at the airport at 8 am.

Brett Marston's suggestion seems good - thereafter there are all night brasseries and the like.
12.8.2008 6:47am
JosephSlater (mail):
I will third what Bama1L said. On the bright side, folks in Paris generally speak English easily and well.

I would suggest, instead of stressing yourself out trying to "see" much of Paris this time, that you take another trip there at some point when you can be more relaxed. If I'm there too, I'll buy you a beer AND some wine.
12.8.2008 9:01am
Kelly (mail):
Whatever you do, do not spend the night in Charles de Gaulle. I had to do it four or five years ago after an Italian train strike messed up my planned travel back to the U.S. and it was hell on earth. The only places they let you stay overnight have marble floors and metal benches with armrests every 2 or 3 feet, making sleep impossible. The few workers around are rude and don't speak English - some don't even speak French. And everything is shut down (including restrooms), so don't expect to get a cup of coffee, much less a beer.

That said, you'd only be able to be in the touristy parts of Paris between about midnight and 6AM, and I have no idea what is worth doing in that time.
12.8.2008 9:20am
jackson:
Stay an extra day. Or two.
12.8.2008 9:28am
Oren:

Stay an extra day. Or two.

The way airfare is priced, that would cost a small fortune.
12.8.2008 10:38am
Garth:
i second harry'y bar.

and a taxi.

not too bad... price wise.

i've had to do it.
12.8.2008 11:03am
Stevethepatentguy (mail) (www):
Don't ride the Metro from CDG to Paris after 11PM. Really, just don't do it. The Metro goes through, perhaps, the worst neigborhood in all of Europe. Paris is beautiful at night but, unfortunately (like New York or D.C.) there are some "no go areas" for the uninitiated.

Check your luggage direct to the US and take a small carry on bag that you can haul everywhere.

Find a Limo service that will drive you for 3 hours of sight seeing along the River Seine and the Champs Elisee. If you are looking for a nice English Speaking place try Cafe Oz, lovely lasses with Australian or New Zeeland accents work the bar and the customers are either Angles, Saxons, or francophones who are working on learning English. All will be happy to chat. Cafe Oz is also about a mile north of Notre Dame, in an edgy but not unsafe neighborhood (think the Castro in S.F.).
12.8.2008 11:07am
CrimeDog:
If you have to stay in CDG, consider the Air France business traveller lounge (certain Amex card memberships give you this privilege too). I got stuck in CDG once en route to Seoul, RoK, and outside the airline lounge it was an uncomfortable experience, the waiting areas are uncomfortable modern minimalist metal and glass, and the best I could do was a table in a snack bar/cafe.
12.8.2008 11:09am
Stevethepatentguy (mail) (www):
CrimeDog,

USA to CDG to Seoul? You must have been very bad in a former life.

CDG is like Dulles, with cigareetes and without the cheery atmosphere.
12.8.2008 11:17am
JPG:
Here's my suggestion. You can get to the Bastille (easily accessible through the subway/RER network, or simply by hiring a cab). Have a coffee at Les Deux Magots (a world famous institution, where Jean-Paul Sartre, Simone de Beauvoir and others gathered for over a century). If you have some room in your stomach, I'd recommend their Café liégeois, you'll be drinking calories of pure pleasure. They also will feed you if the trip made you hungry.

Next to the Bastille also is the rue de Lappe, one of the most typically parisian streets the city has to offer, a lively one that is, with lots of restaurants, pubs and bars of different kinds to enjoy.

Giving directions to visitors is a natural habit to most Parisians over there, the language barrier shouldn't be too much of a challenge.

Good luck waking up the next morning.

Bon voyage!
12.8.2008 11:29am
SamChevre:
The timing is a problem.

However, taking the RER to central Paris is manageable. I wouldn't do it tired, or with a large amount of small luggage, but it's not bad in my experience (which is, admittedly, in the daytime.)

BE SURE to allow plenty of time to get back. CDG is unpredictable--I've had it take from 45 minutes to 3 hours to get to my gate.
12.8.2008 12:17pm
Vermando (mail) (www):
Great advice above.

I would strongly consider staying at a hotel near CDG. As everyone says, to get back there in the morning from the city center you would need to leave very early, especially because CDG is a terrible airport and the entire experience is guaranteed to be stressful. So, better to be at an airport hotel and eat a nice breakfast, have a coffee, etc., at your leisure.

For your arrival, all of the ideas above are good. If you are feeling frugal try to do it w/ RER out there and then a taxi back out to the airport late at night. If you have some disposable income, though, I would take the advice to hire a chauffeur to take you around and then also to take you back to your airport hotel when the night is through. As said above, they usually have about three hour minimums, which should be perfect for you, and they are the best way to do a couple of cool things, e.g., have a drink at Harry's Bar, a bite to eat at a bistro, see the Champs and Notre Dame, etc.

Good luck and have fun regardless.

Steve - Cafe Oz. Indeed, that brings back some old memories. Never thought I would see it mentioned in such distinguished company.
12.8.2008 1:08pm
Gourmand (mail):
French beer sucks. Even the imported beer sucks, as the only beers the French import are the beers which taste like French beer, which sucks. There is one exception, which I will detail below.

Ignore the nay-sayers. Your layover is perfect. Check into an airport hotel (you don't even want to think about trying to stay in town and come out in the morning), leave your bags in the room and then head into town for dinner.

Depending on your budget:

Big budget: Arpege. Alain Passard is a demented genius. You have no conception how weird -- or how extraordinary -- his combinations can be until you have tried them.

Lower budget: Cassoulet at Au Trou Gascon. This may be the friendliest place in Paris, and the food is just extraordinary. Truly exceptional foie gras as well; you can of course have Sauternes with it, but the sommelier usually has an alternative that's as delicious as it is obscure. Those around you on the plane next day may not appreciate this recommendation, but you will. One caveat: It is deucedly hard to find unless you know where you're going.

If you really want beer: Choucroute. [The world capital of food, and you should eat sauerkraut? Yes.] I am fond of Alasco. Lipp is a classic brasserie, although, in the horrified phrase of my favorite Parisian dining-mate, "Lipp est mort!"; he likes Le Bec Rouge. Alsatian beer is OK with choucroute, although I would have an Alsatian riesling. You want to go with as many people as you can collect, as you get a bigger selection of cuts with a bigger order.

One thing: New York at 8PM on a rainy Friday is cab heaven compared to Paris. Have the restaurant call you a car to take you back to the airport.
12.8.2008 1:47pm
Faro (mail):
Orin:
I recommend Académie De La Bière at 88-bis Boulevard De Port-Royal. Phone: +33 (0)1 43 54 66 65. They have several excellent belgian beers on tap and hundreds of bottles available.
12.8.2008 3:10pm
Putting Two and Two...:
Well, first of all, Paris on a Saturday night, five days before Christmas?

OMG, City of Lights on steriods! GO! Even if you're stuck wandering the streets, GO!


My first trip to Paris was an overnight flight connection, too. Granted, this was pre-terrorism, when storing luggage and finding a restroom at 4 A.M. weren't such a challenge. And, perhaps more importantly, I was in my 20s. Walked and walked and walked.

Best case: hustling, bustling night life going on until past 2, followed by a few hours of walking around, topped off by a couple espressos with the early crews heading to work.

Worst case: you take a 50-Euro taxi back to CDG cuz it's cold and your feet hurt.

Check the Paris weather before you leave Tel Aviv.
12.8.2008 5:09pm
Putting Two and Two...:
I seem to recall reading somewhere that Air France is now letting fliers travelling through Paris have a couple-day stopover at no charge.

Probably not your airline, but might apply to alliance travellers, as well. Assuming you take the time.
12.8.2008 5:16pm
Putting Two and Two...:
you CAN take, that is.
12.8.2008 5:22pm
ys:

JPG:
Here's my suggestion. You can get to the Bastille (easily accessible through the subway/RER network, or simply by hiring a cab). Have a coffee at Les Deux Magots (a world famous institution, where Jean-Paul Sartre, Simone de Beauvoir and others gathered for over a century).

I have to correct this one. Whatever you do, don't go to Bastille looking for Les Deux Magots. It's really at St. Germain-de-Prés, a very different location (also the metro station of the same name), right next to the Flore and across the street from the already mentioned Lipp, all equally legendary (in the past). They are also not that far from the much mentioned St. Michele (with the Notre-Dame and the works) even on foot, if you know your directions. Lipp says it takes orders till 1am (hence probably closes at 2), and its competition likely does the same.
12.8.2008 6:21pm
Vejadu (mail):
Three tips

1) Saturday night/midnight is a showing of Rocky Horror Picture show on the left bank. If you enjoyed it in English, imagine it being butchered in French (different things being yelled out but still the same dancing/drenching/etc).

2) Half a block down the street is the Trois Mallets (3 Hammers) which is a merc bar full of old Africa hands and VERY high stakes backgammon games. Floor show is so-so.

3) Go to your favorite Parisian landmark (Eifel tower, Versailles, Notre Dame, etc) and watch it as the sun comes up. There are never crowds anywhere at dawn and it's nice to have the place to yourself. I've done this at the Acropolis, Petra, Rome, etc. and it is the cheapest most memorable thrill. Very easy to imagine the same setting at a different time period with less anachronisms.

Oh yeah, #4 - check out sleepinginairports.com for the best place to take a nap at any layover.

Bon Chance - Lou
12.9.2008 9:27am
amativus (mail):
I'm also flying back to the US out of CDG on the 20th, perhaps I will see you bumming around the airport!

I know you won't have much time while you're there, but it will be absolutely worth your while to take a cab down the Champs-Elysees right now. The Christmas lights are extraordinary and you won't regret it. Same goes for the Eiffel Tower - this is your last chance to see it lit up in blue and yellow before the EU presidency is transferred to the Czech Republic. Regardless of anybody's feelings about the EU, seeing the Eiffel Tower in blue and gold is a treat. At the top of the hour, the tower basically explodes into a glittering light show for five minutes, and it's an excellent opportunity to toast with some champagne or warm mulled wine. If nothing else will get you out of the airport, at least go to see the lights right now.

Anyway, Paris doesn't offer too much in terms of nightlife if you weren't planning on going out to a nightclub. However I wholeheartedly recommend Au Pied de Cochon, a brasserie near the Louvre which has been open for over 60 years and remains open 24 hours a day. At the risk of sounding insensitive they DO specialize in pork and oysters, but they've also got great salmon and hands down the best French onion soup I've ever eaten. I ate the best steak of my entire life there last month. Sit around for hours enjoying a three course meal for a little over thirty US dollars per person.

Whatever you do, don't bother with places like Les Deux Magots. It's now horrendously overpriced with only mediocre fare - not to mention it's not anywhere near the Bastille.

Also keep in mind that when you call a taxi service in Paris, you will be charge for the fare starting from the second they accept your call.
12.10.2008 9:54am

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