What's a "Strong 'D'"?

From Politico:

“We just hoped the political diversity [in President-Elect Obama's cabinet] would have been stronger,” said Tim Carpenter, executive director of Progressive Democrats of America. “We see a lot of recycled Clinton folks and he gets a strong ‘D’ on the policy side. We hope he will hustle them to be more progressive.”

So is a strong "D" something better than an ordinary or weak D, like a D+ (a grade that often quite perplexed me in the message that it sent), so that Mr. Carpenter is trying to soften the blow of the D? Is it something that the speaker strongly feels is a D? Is it something that is strongly negative compared to a normal D, so it's a D-? I'm pretty sure it's not a strong "D" in the sense of Sen. Barack Obama (strong D-IL). Inquiring minds want to know.

Steve:
I take it to be an emphatic D, which is to say, there is no question in their mind that he deserves a D. Or perhaps he's just indicating that journalists should print the D in a bold font.
12.19.2008 3:29pm
Charlie (Colorado) (mail):
He thinks it sucks but he doesn't want to lose his Inauguration tickets.
12.19.2008 3:37pm
Anonymouse Troll:
Strong as to odor, not strong as to whatever the D is measuring.
12.19.2008 3:40pm
Bruce_M (mail) (www):
Sounds like she means a D+ ... In my highschool we had F+ and F- grades. Like ususal there was never an "E" grade, but I don't see anything particularly strange about a D+. It's certainly a grade you don't want to get. I don't think it means she gives a plain D and feels strongly about it.

But that's just the way I read it, I don't know anything you don't.
12.19.2008 3:42pm
Splunge:
Maybe he means "strong" as in "strong drink" -- pure, unmixed.

That isn't utterly comical. A person can get a D by (for example) getting one A and three Fs on four exams, a rather mixed record, or by getting four Ds on four exams, a rather pure record.
12.19.2008 3:51pm
Dave N (mail):
To the moonbats of the left, you are "really" a Democrat only if your views are somewhere to the left of Markos Moulitsas. Thus, the strong disapproval. To them, Rahm Emmanuel, Hillary Clinton, and Tom Daschle are all just kidding when they call themselves Democrats.

Of course to the moonbats on the right, anyone to the left of what they imagine Ronald Reagan was (as opposed to how he actually governed as President) is a Republican in Name Only and open to the same kind of scorn.

Frankly, as someone who did not vote for Obama, I have been pleasantly surprised in his cabinet picks.

As for the substance of the post, I believe "a strong D" means barely passing--not so bad as a D- but not quite up to D+. But I could be wrong.
12.19.2008 3:52pm
krs:
I had the same thought as Steve... i.e., the grader is very confident in the grade assigned.
12.19.2008 3:53pm
Lior:
Seeing "strong D" next to "hustle" leads me to suspect a basketball metaphor. But perhaps the speaker does think that almost-not-failing your assignment can be done "strongly".
12.19.2008 4:07pm
MarkField (mail):
I read it the same way Steve did.


To the moonbats of the left, you are "really" a Democrat only if your views are somewhere to the left of Markos Moulitsas.


Whew, my left flank is secure.
12.19.2008 4:13pm
Steve P. (mail):
Is a strong D similar to what the Steelers and Ravens have? Obama|Polamalu 2012!
12.19.2008 4:13pm
John (mail):
I read it as an emphatic D, not a D+.
12.19.2008 4:14pm
D.A.:
Count me in as a fourth vote for the reading: "emphatically a D, and not close to any better."
12.19.2008 4:20pm
Jack Black (mail):
For the record, a strong D is a tenacious D.
12.19.2008 4:22pm
Sarcastro (www):

To the moonbats of the left, you are "really" a Democrat only if your views are somewhere to the left of Markos Moulitsas.


And Freepers never call McCain or Ron Paul a "RINO."
12.19.2008 4:23pm
Pliny, the Elder (mail):
Other than adding a theocratic monarchist, an anarchist, or a (real) Marxist, I can hardly imagine a more diverse cabinet in our political system.
More seriously, the appointments may have a centrist flavor, but that is mainly a reflection of the shortgae of leftist who are both qualified for and willing to fill cabinet positions.
My experience has been that actually working in the government knocks off some of one's ideological edge. If this is true, it is not surprising that actual appointments of qulaified people frequently annoy the ideologues.
I voted for Obama (barely) and am mostly pleased with his appointments, particularly since, unlike in the Clinton years, there will be very few meetings where a former USMC Corporal has the most military experience of any participant.
12.19.2008 4:24pm
PubliusFL:
My impression was like Bruce -- that a strong D means closer to a C than an F, as opposed to a weak D, which would be dangerously close to F territory. This is consistent with the usage of "strong B" and "strong C" that I usually see or hear ("I'd give him a B or a very strong C for that answer").
12.19.2008 4:28pm
A. Zarkov (mail):
"A strong D" = euphemism for an "F." But "F" is not always so bad. I had had course once that gave out test scores of "F," "FF," and "FFF." Most people scored "F." To get a "FFF" you needed to submit a blank page. How would you like a lecture in theoretical mechanics by someone who couldn't speak English, and none of the material was the text? The text was evidently for some other course.
12.19.2008 4:30pm
LM (mail):
What Steve said, and what everyone who said "What Steve said" said.

And Freepers never call McCain or Ron Paul a "RINO."

You may have uncharacteristically read too fast. He pretty much said that in his second paragraph.
12.19.2008 4:50pm
Sarcastro (www):
[apologies Dave N. Thanks for the catch, LM.]
12.19.2008 4:59pm
A.C.:
I think the "strong" emphasizes the D-ness of the D, rather than trying to be specific about how it compares to other Ds. Beyond that, I don't think it serves any purpose. A speaker who means D+ can always say that.

I read the whole passage as a complaint that Obama picked a cabinet that would appeal (in large part) to people who looked at the election and wondered if it would be possible to take an average of Obama and McCain. People like me. I'm pleasantly surprised.

Now let's see what they do.
12.19.2008 5:06pm
LM (mail):
S, de nada.
12.19.2008 5:10pm
Saint Russell (mail):
It's the same problem musicians have: is "andantino" slower or faster than "andante"?
12.19.2008 5:23pm
mbw00000 (mail):
Eugene:

You say, "a D+ (a grade that often quite perplexed me in the message that it sent)."

So, just how many D+s did you get in your academic career?
12.19.2008 5:25pm
Nunzio:
I think a D+ means you were a C/C- student with bad attendance.
12.19.2008 5:54pm
htom (mail):
Strong D, a D on the borderline between D and D+, 5.5 on the 15 point grading scale. From long ago:
15, 14, 13 a+, a, a-
12, 11, 10 b+, b, b-
09, 08, 07 c+, c, c-
06, 05, 04 d+, d, d-
03, 02, 01 f+, f, f-
0 incomplete.

But I can accept the "many D's" use, too.
12.19.2008 6:20pm
David Warner:
EV,

A strong D is a gentleman's C shorn of the unjust benefit of privelege.

For some reason, D. H. Lawrence comes to mind...
12.19.2008 7:42pm
David Warner:
Then again, perhaps it denotes "dissonance", as in the cognitive dissonance the Obama posse is causing Mr. Carpenter. The reality-based community will shortly be getting more reality than it ever wished for...
12.19.2008 8:38pm
Dave N (mail):
LM,

Thank you for correcting Sarcastro--and thanks to Sarcastro for acknowledging reading too fast before posting.

The civility of the VC shines through--Orin will be proud.
12.19.2008 10:03pm
LM (mail):
Dave N, de rien.
12.19.2008 10:55pm
texasfox82:
It's very simple really, "a strong D" is just like telling your kids "ah honey, those are some bright colors you used there" when they are coloring and can't stay inside the lines for sh*t, you just say something nice so they think you still love them and so they won't throw a hissy fit, plain and simple.
12.19.2008 11:17pm
autolykos:
"Apparently they give a lot fewer D+'s than D-'s. It's not a grade they like to give out, I'll tell ya that right now."

"Yeah, you mentioned that."
12.19.2008 11:43pm
ll (mail):
Strong D is Democrat, because Democrats are never weak.
12.20.2008 12:23am
lucia (mail) (www):

How would you like a lecture in theoretical mechanics by someone who couldn't speak English, and none of the material was the text? The text was evidently for some other course


In gradschool, I new a teaching assistant who broke his jaw 2 days before the semester began. We thought this would disqualify him from being a TA. Nope. The view was even with his jaw wired shut, he still spoke English better than many of the other TAs!
12.23.2008 5:13pm

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