The Holdren Pick:

One of the few Obama appointments that has me particularly concerned is his selection of John Holdren to be his top science advisor. It's all well and good that Obama has opted to name several well-respected scientists to his administration (such as Chu at Energy and Lubchenko at NOAA, among others), but in placing Holdren at the top, in what is effectively a cabinet-level position, I think that the Obama Administration does not understand, or is not concerned about the, the problem of science politicization. However bad the Bush Administration was in this regard, I have no confidence that Holdren will help the Obama Administration any better, for reasons I explain in this piece for NRO. Here's an excerpt:

Many who decried the alleged politicization of science celebrated Obama’s election. The new president would both elevate and insulate the role of science in the policy-making process. Whereas the Bush administration allegedly silenced scientific perspectives they did not want to hear, a President Obama would ensure scientific analysis informs relevant policy decisions.

No doubt Obama had the “Bush is anti-science” meme in mind when he explained that his commitment to science means “ensuring that facts and evidence are never twisted or obscured by politics or ideology” and “listening to what our scientists have to say, even when it's inconvenient — especially when it’s inconvenient.” Yet the underlying causes of science politicization are far deeper than who sits in the Oval Office. Even so, President-Elect Obama’s choice of John Holdren for his primary science adviser suggests political misuse and abuse of science will continue in the Obama administration, pledges to respect science notwithstanding.

Unlike some who have criticized the pick, my objection to Holdren is not that he is a climate alarmist -- I believe human contributions to climate change are real and worth addressing (though I also believe Holdren is prone to exaggeration). Nor do I think it a problem that Holdren has endorsed the imposition of significant reductions in greenhouse gas emissions, as this is the position President-elect Obama endorsed during the campaign. I would fully expect a President to name members of his administration who agree with the Administration's key policy positions on relevant issues. Rather my concern is that Holdren is one who will blur the boundaries between policy and science and squelch legitimate scientific and policy debate on important matters. I hope to be proven wrong, but we shall see.

For some of my prior posts on science politicization, see here and here.

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David M. Nieporent (www):
Reason's complaint about Holdren.
1.8.2009 1:27pm
Redman:
I would comment, but I need to go outside and shovel snow.
1.8.2009 1:31pm
Sk (mail):
"I think that the Obama Administration does not understand, or is not concerned about the, the problem of science politicization. However bad the Bush Administration was in this regard,..."

I am confused about your views. This statement, and this post, imply that politicization in the Bush Administration was a serious problem. Yet, when I follow your links to previous posts, they both essentially undermine this view.

So how bad was the Bush administration in this regard? Apparently (based on the Grand Canyon case and global warming alarmism that your links refer to), not that bad.

Sk
1.8.2009 1:36pm
Sarcastro (www):
What Redman's getting at is that because it is snowing, it must be cold where Redman lives. Coldness anywhere on Earth disproves global warming.

See, weather is very predictable, and pumping thermal energy into a system always makes the temperature go up everywhere uniformly and would not make weather more violent and unpredictable at all.

It was a very clever and subtle post.
1.8.2009 1:39pm
Steve:
I don't understand the complaint. The complaint seems to be that sometimes, when others disagree with Holdren's views about science, he thinks they're wrong. Sometimes he even says so. This translates into "intolerance."

So he once wrote a scathing rebuttal to Bjorn Lomborg, some of which Prof. Adler apparently disagrees with. So what, really? What is the concrete concern here?
1.8.2009 1:50pm
James Gibson (mail):
The politicization of Science will continue as has the writing of PC History. And the reason it will continue is that no one wants to recognize for how long its been going on.

People have stated for two decades that we would have had a cure for AIDs in the late 80s if it wasn't for President Reagan. But when the Dems took over under Clinton, they had eight years to find the cure and thus prove their accusation. At last check we still don't have a cure, only Bill Clinton's statement that he never took AIDs seriously when in office.

In the late 80s people convinced the government we could build a single stage to orbit vehicle. They showed "conclusive" evidence that the technology was ready, or would be ready in just a few years. The result, over a decade of spending on a vehicle (the X-33) that would never have worked. And even after George Bush's new NASA finally pulled the sheet over the project the activists still claimed to be right. In the mean time the Shuttle's (which could have had improved models flying five years ago) are rapidly being phased out while its replacement is five years behind schedule.

On the environmental front we have, in the name of saving the Ozone layer, cancelled the SST, then removed hair spray, then changed out everyone's air conditioners, and then ended cadmium plating. After all this have we improved the Ozone layer. "No", the hole still opens every year and then closes at the same time. Worse, now the activists who demanded the replacement of Freon (CFCs) are stating that the new fluid in our air conditioners is a potent greenhouse gas.

On the Global warming front we now know a NASA scientist was fired by Al Gore because he wouldn't play ball on Global Warming. Robert Kennedy says Bush's politicized science, but anyone who disagrees with Kennedy is called every name in the book by him and his friends in the media. And as the weather has turned cooler, deceptive media reports are being run more often. Included in this is an ABC report on the glaciers in Montana which is represented as having been produced in the winter of 2008, but was actually made in the summer of 2006. another is a statement by a major global warming advocate that the cool weather is being caused by a La Nina year. The only problem is 2008 wasn't a La Nina year.
1.8.2009 1:51pm
Xanthippas (mail) (www):

Rather my concern is that Holdren is one who will blur the boundaries between policy and science and squelch legitimate scientific and policy debate on important matters. I hope to be proven wrong, but we shall see.


Am I missing something here? Appointing this guy, who's a little harsh on the issue of climate change, is the equivalent of say...a political hack pestering a web designer at NASA to add "theory" after every mention of the Big Bang? Really? They're equivalent?
1.8.2009 2:09pm
Cornellian (mail):
At last check we still don't have a cure, only Bill Clinton's statement that he never took AIDs seriously when in office.

I wonder why people aren't worrying more about prions.
1.8.2009 2:11pm
Harry Eagar (mail):
Dunno about all the items in James Gibson's list (for example, had not seen that about the Glacier Park report, which was, however, silly on its face), but would add that the Space Shuttle has, so far, never performed up to even 10% of what Nasa told Congress it would do.

Holdren's career-long association with the crackpot Ehrlich ought to disqualify him from any science job, period.
1.8.2009 2:12pm
Abdul Abulbul Amir (mail):

The head of NASA’s Goddard Institute for Space Studies, Professor James Hansen, has written an open letter to Barack Obama calling for a moratorium on coal-fired power stations and the use of next-generation nuclear power.

In the letter he says: “Australia exports coal and sets atmospheric carbon dioxide goals so large as to guarantee destruction of much of the life on the planet.”




From the Daily Telegraph. Emphasis added by me.

Perhaps he was referring to this. BTW Aussie coal comes to about 1%.
1.8.2009 2:13pm
CFG in IL (mail):
Adler's piece no doubt joins a host of thoughtful pieces at NRO weighing politicization of science under Bush.

The Obama is going to have to work awfully hard to catch up to Bush's record at EPA, NASA, FDA, the Surgeon General, Interior...
1.8.2009 2:16pm
Sarcastro (www):
I can't wait till we can appoint a robot without biases to science advisor.

I get to program the robot, though.

And I wish people would stop yelling about Reagan not curing AIDS. They're so loud I can't hear them!

I also consider the X-33 as the mistep that proves we should never do science again.
1.8.2009 2:23pm
Houston Lawyer:
Science doesn't tell us what policy positions to adopt. It can, however, show that some policy positions may be useless, counterproductive or produce costs far in excess of anticipated benefits. I suspect that the vast majority of the Bush Administration's fights fall into the latter category.

The left has been promising for years that embryonic stem cells will make the lame walk and the blind see, despite the lack of scientific basis for such claims. In addition, they have adopted manmade global warming as a new religion with computer simulations that cannot be validated otherwise than through supposition.

And lets bring back the ban on silicone breast implants while we are at it.
1.8.2009 2:29pm
JoeSixpack (mail):
The whole "global warming" myth is the epitome of politicizing science. An entire scientific field has been hijacked by a political, pseudo-religious movement. Even the fact that the weather is getting colder cannot sway the true believers. They were forced to change "global warming" to "climate change" so that even when it gets colder it can be blamed on so-called global warming.
1.8.2009 2:30pm
Al Maviva:
If you build a big scale, and put Adler on one side of it, and a duck on the other, if Adler weighs more than the duck, then he should be burnt at the stake. That's what we do to heretics, isn't it? The fact that he's only mildly heretical compared to, say, that Lomborg denialist chap, is irrelevant; any deviation from Scientific Truth, which we all* know is immutable and unchanging and uncompromising, must be punished. The scientific process is that some scientists float a hypothesis, the NY Times interviews scientists in other fields and some activists, scientific consensus is then declared reached, and then The Truth is carved on stone tablets and handed down in the federal register. Dissent from The Truth is unacceptable.


*Except for that Karl Popper fellow. He thought scientific theories had to be falsifiable, otherwise the theory was necessarily a con-job. But what did he know?
1.8.2009 2:37pm
Sarcastro (www):
As JoeSixpack said, weather's reaction to pumping energy into the earth should be completely predictable! Also, the people I disagree with are totally irrational and politicizing the evidence for their side! Watch as I now back this up with no evidence at all.

In conclusion, all science I disagree with is the product of someone's bias. The only way to solve this problem is for me to pick what is science and what is pseudo-religious claptrap.
1.8.2009 2:40pm
Thales (mail) (www):
I am equally glad that Joe Six Pack (the commenter, or the everyman) is not a presidential science advisor. Hijacked by a religious movement? Seriously? The actual climate scientists who do not believe humans contribute substantially to global warming or that political action is appropriate *and* who are not financially compensated by the fossil fuel industry constitute a tiny, tiny group.
1.8.2009 2:43pm
Matthew K:
There are times when it's really hard to distinguish honest disagreement from trolling.
1.8.2009 2:56pm
Kevin P. (mail):
At least some environmentalists may reasonably be described as religious in their devotion to their dogma. I personally know two such individuals. Fact, reason, logic and opposing viewpoints are all irrelevant to their practice of environmentalism and in fact heretical.

For those interested in the issue of climate change, I recommend Watts Up With That as an interesting and informative blog. You will get a science-based viewpoint on climate change that is near impossible to get in the media any more.
1.8.2009 3:03pm
Pon Raul II:
Thales, nice ad hominem there.
1.8.2009 3:05pm
Kevin P. (mail):

Thales:
...who are not financially compensated by the fossil fuel industry...


I have worked in both academic research and corporate science and engineering. Academic and non-profit researchers have the same base motivations as those in industry, just manifested in a different way. They need money for research, career and salaries just like anybody else. Many of them have hung their careers upon the success of the global warming / climate change effort.
1.8.2009 3:06pm
Abdul Abulbul Amir (mail):


The actual climate scientists who do not believe humans contribute substantially to global warming or that political action is appropriate *and* who are not financially compensated by the fossil fuel industry constitute a tiny, tiny group.


On the other side of the balance is the question of what fraction of scientists financed by government grants and/or paychecks believe that political action (that would enhance the power of their paymasters) is appropriate.

Whatever the scientific truth of the matter is, it will be determined by data and observation and not by who writes the checks.
1.8.2009 3:08pm
Ex parte McCardle:
Al Maviva, what is the point of your drastically simplified paraphrase of Karl Popper? Sure he said (something like) that. But so what? J.M.E. McTaggart thought that time was unreal. Kant thought that both time and space were not properties of the noumenal world but only the forms of our sensibility. David Lewis thought that all possibilities are actualized. I assume you accept their thoughts on the basis of their supposed authority. And, if not, then why wouldn't "what did they know?" constitute a conclusive argument in their favor?
1.8.2009 3:09pm
Michelle Dulak Thomson (mail):
Sarcastro, obviously it's silly to treat cold spells as evidence against global warming — but equally obviously, some people can listen to a record high temperature in this or that locality reported as evidence of global warming only so many times before they feel inclined to return the favor.

If we could just call a moratorium on counting individual weather events, in whatever direction, as evidence for or against any hypothesis about climate change, we might have leisure actually to think about what would constitute useful evidence. I am personally pretty confident that real warming is happening, and that human activity is likely responsible for at least part of it. But every friend or co-worker who blames a hot day on the Bush Administration lessens that confidence just a bit.
1.8.2009 3:20pm
wb (mail):
"I don't understand the complaint. The complaint seems to be that sometimes, when others disagree with Holdren's views about science, he thinks they're wrong. Sometimes he even says so. This translates into 'intolerance.'"

The question is the manner in which he disagrees and steers the elite science machinery such as the AAAS into discouraging legitimate scientific debate. Had Holdren only a few instances of vocal disagreements, it would be one thing. If he had a good track record of scientific prediction later validated by observation, the loud voice might be excused. Rather, he has sought to marginalize those he disagrees with and has had a track record of alarmism that is acknowledged by many across the political spectrum. Hence the wide-spread reputation of "intolerance."

The other concern voiced by a few posters is that he has a strong history of blurring the distinction between science and science policy, and public policy informed by science. It seems unlikely that we are getting a more enlightened view of science installed; we are only getting a different church.
1.8.2009 3:20pm
wfjag:
Thales wrote:

I am equally glad that Joe Six Pack (the commenter, or the everyman) is not a presidential science advisor. Hijacked by a religious movement? Seriously? The actual climate scientists who do not believe humans contribute substantially to global warming or that political action is appropriate *and* who are not financially compensated by the fossil fuel industry constitute a tiny, tiny group.

Oh? Really? Your confidence in your numbers (I guess as an appeal to authority type argument) is misplaced. See The IPCC Can't Count - Author and Reviewer numbers are wrong, by John McLean (Jan 2009), at http://mclean.ch/climate/docs/IPCC_numbers.pdf

It starts:

How many times have you heard or read words to the effect that 4000 scientists from the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate change (IPCC) supported the claims about a significant human influence on climate? I think I've seen it on television, radio and the Internet and I know that politicians at national levels have quoted such figures. There's no question whatsoever. It's utterly wrong.

In fact, once the duplicated names are removed that number falls below 2,900 and if we only want those who explicitly supported the claims it falls to only about 60. So how does 4,000 become 60? Let's take a closer look at the real numbers.
1.8.2009 3:27pm
Steve:
Rather, he has sought to marginalize those he disagrees with and has had a track record of alarmism that is acknowledged by many across the political spectrum.

What I am not seeing is evidence that he has "sought to marginalize" people in any way other than disagreeing with them.
1.8.2009 3:41pm
Der Hahn (mail):
Holdren's career-long association with the crackpot Ehrlich ought to disqualify him from any science job, period.

Harry Edgar said it, and it needs to be repeated (and it's covered in some depth at J Adler's NRO link).

Holdren and Erlich's predictions were flat out wrong. Scientific honesty should compel Holdren to account for this but he apparently continues to defend the predictions.
1.8.2009 3:52pm
Al Maviva:
what is the point of your drastically simplified paraphrase of Karl Popper?

That a lot of the political environmentalism is more religion than science. When Al Gore tells me that the government needs to re-engineer every aspect of my life, and it's a matter of science, and that if I question this I'm a dangerous person (Holdren's description of deniers, BTW, not mine) I'm both a bit leery of the way the current scientific hypothesis is being engraved in stone, and a bit skeptical of the people who want to assert unhindered regulatory power over my life. The reaction to the astrophysicists who have posited that solar activity is an unaccounted for and very significant variable is a good example.

Put it to you this way. If Dick Cheney was asserting that all of American life needed to be re-engineered from the ground up, and that his bureaucrats would determine how we should live, would you question it, and ridicule the people putting forth this "unassailable" science?
1.8.2009 4:09pm
Curt Fischer:
Do scientific advisors to politicians really give science advise? I am inclined to believe the give scientifically informed political advice on certain technical issues. If I am right, then any advice a "science" advisor gives will necessarily be political.

Also, does Holdren's prospective position give him any authority to squelch opposing viewpoints? For example, Jim Hansen criticized his supervisors at NASA for attempting to silence him, but it is not clear to me that the science advisor has authority to control the communications of any government scientist. I might well be wrong, but I would appreciate if anyone knowledgeable could weigh in with info.

My basic qualm is with an overly broad usage of the phrase "politicization of science". I'm not sure even restricted uses of the phrase have much meaning. When scientists or science advisors work for the government, hey, no matter what you do, that's political.

If sometimes governments try to suppress or discount known scientific facts, it is worth recalling that "science" just means "knowledge". In that case, rather than call it "politicizing science", it might better be called "embracing falsehoods" or "burying heads in the sand".
1.8.2009 4:11pm
in.nomine.patris (mail) (www):
http://operationpiedpiper.blogspot.com/
1.8.2009 4:48pm
RPT (mail):
"The politicization of Science will continue as has the writing of PC History. And the reason it will continue is that no one wants to recognize for how long its been going on."

Hello Galileo!
1.8.2009 4:55pm
Rock On:
"...now the activists who demanded the replacement of Freon (CFCs) are stating that the new fluid in our air conditioners is a potent greenhouse gas."

CFCs were also a potent Greenhouse Gas. For what it's worth.
1.8.2009 5:14pm
LM (mail):
If embryonic stem cells were any good they would grow really large breasts.
1.8.2009 5:20pm
ichthyophagous (mail):
A speech by Holdren to the American Assoc for the Advancement of Science is available here:

http://www.sciencemag.org/cgi/content/full/319/5862/424

What I found interesting about this performance was a staggering political naivete. He assembles an enormous collection of problems, going far beyond considerations of environment, and apparently assumes that it's simply a management problem to solve everything yesterday.
1.8.2009 5:41pm
wfjag:

If embryonic stem cells were any good they would grow really large breasts we wouldn't need Barbie Dolls.

(Reference: New Book Reveals Secret Sex Life of Barbie Creator (Thur., Jan. 8, 2009), www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,477877,00.html ).
1.8.2009 6:01pm
LN (mail):
This reminds me of the long-running controversy about whether smoking causes lung cancer.

On one side, you had scientists who received government grants and obviously had a vested interest in giving politicians and bureaucrats the power to regulate every detail of our lives.

On the other side, you had scientists working on behalf of tobacco companies. These men and women were following in the tradition of Galileo, seeking to prevent power-hungry busybodies from silencing the opposition. They were champions of the scientific method, aware that science never arrives at definite conclusions, and therefore were always interested in promoting debate and questioning supposedly "definite" conclusions. Oh, their boundless curiosity, their refusal to accept conventional wisdom, their ability to carry on an open scientific discourse for decades and decades! It brings tears to my eyes just thinking about it.
1.8.2009 6:06pm
James Gibson (mail):
RPT, think about who Galileo was challenging with his observations. Was he challenging the Pope and the church, or was he challenging Aristotle who's views and writings had become the accepted views before the church even came into existence. Oh yes Aristotle made some great discoveries, but he wasn't perfect. Yet Aristotle's views on everything became embedded in granite and an act of heresy to challenge. It was in fact just such a heresy that Galileo made when he proved that two objects of the same volume, but not the same mass, still fall at the same rate to the earth. To later challenge the thesis that the Earth was the center of the solar system also meant challenging Aristotle and Plato.
1.8.2009 6:08pm
LM (mail):
... but it wasn't Aristotle that tried him for heresy. And it wasn't an Aristotelian orthodoxy those who did were defending.
1.8.2009 6:39pm
Kazinski:
My concern with Holder is that he is trying to demonize those that do not go along with the "consensus" on AGW, and because the science is less than conclusive he relies on conventional wisdom to prove the conventional wisdom is true:

Members of the public who are tempted to be swayed by the denier fringe should ask themselves how it is possible, if human-caused climate change is just a hoax, that:

The leaderships of the national academies of sciences of the United States, United Kingdom, France, Italy, Germany, Japan, Russia, China, and India, among others, are on record saying that global climate change is real, caused mainly by humans, and reason for early, concerted action.

This is also the overwhelming majority view among the faculty members of the earth sciences departments at every first-rank university in the world.


I do not think climate change is a hoax, I think the science on GHG warming is quite likely right. The levels of warming predicted to be caused by human GHG emissions are not alarming or outside of natural variations. What however has not been proven, observed or even shown to be more likely than not is the runaway feedback mechanisms that many of the models predict. These are theoretical and the predictions are not supported by observations.
1.8.2009 6:52pm
Michael B (mail):
Since both internal politicking, within scientific establishments, as well as external politicking (at federal and more local levels) is a constant fact of life, a great deal of this seems exaggerated.

Galileo Galilei and the manner in which he's interpreted, tendentiously and simplistically, is but one reflection of that fact. It wasn't simply the fact that the primary concern was that Galileo was abrogating Aristotle and Ptolemy, in terms of general philosophical and scientific concerns respectively, it was the additional fact that Galileo wanted to claim that his theory was more than theory and hypothesis and was instead positive fact. Iow, the whole tentative, hypothetical, theoretical conception of science was at issue; Galileo was anxious to claim a positivist view of his claims, not a mere hypothetical/tentative view and not merely in relative terms (cf. Tycho Brahe’s system).
1.8.2009 7:09pm
Michael B (mail):
"... it wasn't an Aristotelian orthodoxy those who did were defending."

It most certainly was. There were three primary focal points listed in Galileo's condemnations of 1616 and 1633:

1) scientific conceptions per se (hypotheses/theoretical and tentative conceptions vs. more positivist claims)

2) philosophical doctrines (foremost Aristotlian physics)

3) rote-like theological doctrine

They were all primary considerations. In fact Ptolemy's theory had long been considered hypothetical, not a statement of positive scientific fact, and even prior to Copernicus figures such as Nicole Oresme were openly theorizing about heliocentric and other models, without condemmation from the church.
1.8.2009 7:26pm
Michael B (mail):
should read "(foremost Aristotelian conceptions)"
1.8.2009 7:28pm
John Moore (www):
The actual climate scientists who do not believe humans contribute substantially to global warming or that political action is appropriate *and* who are not financially compensated by the fossil fuel industry constitute a tiny, tiny group.


Pure, unadulterated bovine exrement.

Now, if you said:
The climate scientists who.... and do not have tenure or depend on the government for their funding constitute a tiny, tiny group


You would be closer to right.

The AGW debate is a great example of the politicization of science. Influential (if not highly published) scientists have called for expelling skeptics from professional societies. The several climatologists I know are all skeptics, but some are afraid to announce their skepticism, instead retreating to fields of climate study outside of the controversy.

Let us also remember that the Bush administration is a believer in AGW alarmism, and the sometimes subtle and sometimes overt pressure on skeptics has lasted from before his election through the present.

It is no accident that most of the expert skeptics now speaking out are senior, often retired scientists. They have nothing to lose.

The politicization of AGW is far worse than the craziness that led to the disaster called the "Space Shuttle." The economic impact of AGW politicization is already significant, and will become much worse in the future.

Too bad Obama has filled all science positions with true believers.
1.8.2009 9:03pm
LN (mail):
Exactly, John Moore.
1.8.2009 10:34pm
pmorem (mail):
Conceptually, I don't understand how you can use government as a vehicle for "getting the politics out of science".

Government is inherently political. Everything it does it political.

That just doesn't make sense to me.
1.8.2009 10:38pm
David Warner:
Michael,

"even prior to Copernicus figures such as Nicole Oresme were openly theorizing about heliocentric and other models, without condemmation from the church."

Well, that's because Oresme was the church, or at least high up in it. He was also cozy with the Dauphin, and in high demand for his translation skills, among other things. He also learned from the Merton School guys up at Oxford how to dismantle Aristotle while claiming to defend him. So, yeah, politicization of science goes way back.

BTW, Oresme's math is nuts for his time, or in a couple cases, for any time. I would argue that he beat Heisenberg by 700 years on the Uncertainty Principle. He also invented graphing.
1.8.2009 11:37pm
David Warner:
pmorem,

True, but I'm not big on enlisting scientists who jump the gun. After the appointment, politicize away; before, show that you know what it is is that Science values.

Science's values are as at odds with those of the State as Machiavelli helpfully noted were the Church's. In the latter case, that's why we have the famous Separation. Perhaps its time to consider a similar one for Science.
1.8.2009 11:43pm
David Warner:
Holdren went to MIT and has a Masters and PhD in Aerospace Engineering. What's not to like?

The team of Urkels is nearly complete. Technocracy or bust!
1.8.2009 11:55pm
EricRasmusen (mail):
Keep focussed on the question of whether Holdren tolerates dissenting views, not his competence as a scientist. For troubling evidence on this point, see:

http://rasmusen1.blogspot.com/search?q=holdren

His evident distaste for economics and economists is one thing that worries me (and not just because I'm an economist!)
1.9.2009 10:20am
Michael B (mail):
Re, Nicole Oresme, David, I'm fairly certain his ideas were accepted on their own merits, not due to his position. But I won't quibble, my knowledge of this comes from reading a few historians of science and the philosophy of science, such as Pierre Duhem. And to be sure, my comments reflect some "scratchpad notes" from memory only, needing editing and refinement, not least of all because it can be a highly arcane topic.
1.9.2009 1:35pm
David Warner:
Michael B,

"it can be a highly arcane topic"

Unfortunately true. Had it not been for the Hundred-years War/plague, etc.. it would not be, as he was a remarkable thinker. As it is, he was well ahead of his time, and those of his time likely hesitated to challenge him due to his clear brilliance on other matters, in addition to his powerful position.

BTW, his heliocentric speculation comes in the context of his utter discrediting of Astrology. He was among the first to question it, but his arguments were so clear and compelling (making use of an Uncertainty Principle on the celestial scale rather than the subatomic*) that they likely set Astrology on its eventual road to ruin (among the learned).

* - his proof contains a mathematical argument that shows that the irrationals are more numerous than the rationals, foreshadowing Cantor's Set Theory results that were considered groundbreaking at the turn of the 20th Century.
1.9.2009 9:53pm
David Warner:
ER,

"His evident distaste for economics and economists is one thing that worries me (and not just because I'm an economist!)"

Um, that's not just distaste, but out and out bigotry. Since then he seems to have become more conciliatory and broad-minded.
1.9.2009 9:55pm

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