Reuters, among others, reports:
U.S. Secretary of State Hillary Clinton met Russia's foreign minister on Friday, symbolically presenting him with a red "reset" button to improve ties that sank to a post-Cold War low during the Bush administration....
"I would like to present you with a little gift that represents what President Obama and Vice-President Biden and I have been saying and that is: 'We want to reset our relationship and so we will do it together,[']" said Clinton, presenting Lavrov with a palm-sized yellow box with a red reset button.
Clinton and Lavrov had dinner on the 18th floor of the Intercontinental Hotel in Geneva.
They joked about the Russian misspelling of "reset" on the button before sitting down at an oval table with aides. "We worked hard to get the right Russian word. Do you think we got it?" Clinton asked. "You got it wrong," said Lavrov, telling her "Peregruzka" meant "overcharge." ...
How does that happen? Unless I'm unfamiliar with some alternative meaning — and one that the Russian foreign minister was unfamiliar with, too — "peregruzka" doesn't remotely mean "reset." "Gruz" means "load," and "pere-" means "over-"; "peregruzka" means "overload." (I take it that "overcharge" is used in the story to mean an excess of an electric charge, which is to say an electrical overload, not "overcharge" in the more common English sense of charging too much money.) Doesn't the State Department have fluent translators to do such things? Or am I indeed missing some alternative meaning?
Thanks to InstaPundit for the pointer to the story.
reload in Russian is spelled as «перезагрузку»
However, the button had an inscription of «перегрузка» translated as overcharge.
«перегрузка» - overcharge
Howzabout it means the clowns in D.C. are idiots?
Irony?
To be honest, as a russian speaker перезагрузкa (pronounced as pereZAgruzka, not peregruzka as Americans mistakenly written) sounds pretty lame.
In my opinion, they should have stuck to English. This translates poorly even if it was spelled correctly. Any native speaker could have told them that.
But the State Department would never allow that to occur.
Well, at least we were appropriately desperate in our approval-seeking.
Nice.
it's just a tiny red button (and no warning labels either)
There's no way this comment will be beat. Wrap up the thread and tie a bow on it.
Huh. Maybe the last guy wasn't so dumb after all, picking a gal that spoke fluent Russian.
Yeah, but it turned out they were gay, so they were all fired in the national interest and now we just rely on Google for translating when dealing with the Russians.
The point is that the best translators don't work for our government, then or, apparently, now.
And that should scare everyone.
Now now, just because you can speak Russian it doesn't mean you're a homosexual. It's just really, really likely.
A friend of mine corrected the government version -- for that nasty MSM NYT
Yes, exactly. Did we have to go straight from arrogance to self-abasement? Maybe we could give dignity, respect and good manners a try.
State Department employees aren't subject to military rules about this.
I was, of course, joking.
Why is the word "abasement" never used except in the phrase "self-abasement?"
The best part about that idea is that we could have a 300 comment post on VC arguing about which 25 movies should be included, other than Dr. Strangelove which, presumably, would get on the list by acclamation.
Google gives these results for the verb form
1. вновь устанавливать [тех.]
2. вновь вставлять в оправу
3. вправлять [мед.]
4. набирать заново [полигр.]
5. включать повторно
6. укрывать имущество, добытое заведомо преступным путем
7. переустанавливать
8. укрывать преступника
They won't be answering the Hot Line, will they.
Please tell me they won't.
This is funny.
I've translated them (the best I could) back to english below
1. вновь устанавливать [тех.] - reinstate
2. вновь вставлять в оправу - frame insert
3. вправлять [мед.] - set (as in set in)
4. набирать заново [полигр.] - dial again
5. включать повторно - repeated turn on
6. укрывать имущество, добытое заведомо преступным путем - hide (cover up) belongings obtained via illegal ways
7. переустанавливать - rebuild/reinstate/reinstall
8. укрывать преступника - hide out a criminal
Haha
by the way, did anyone think that lawrence of arabia was an interesting choice for a DVD? (especially in the light of recent events - hint hint)
My house, like most in CA, doesn't have a basement.
Yeah, that was my first thought, too. "Well, at least it didn't accidentally say 'launch'."
When it comes to homosexuals, Clayton has no sense of humor whatsoever.
Imagine a constipated Joseph Stalin, and you'll get a sense of the amount of humor Clayton usually brings to the topic.
And that should scare everyone.
Do the best at anything work for our government? I thought that was why we liked privatizing government functions.
Most DVD players restrict people from playing DVDs from other regions (its a market segmentation feature the copyright owners put into the DVD specification). This means that not only did Obama get him a stupid gift, but the gift probably won't play on his DVD player anyway.
Nick
Thus are the fruits of our credentialocracy. Brown-nosers uber alles!
"Just answer me one question. Why would any administration official make fun of a prior national policy?"
Arrogance. Shared widely. The assumption that the U.S. is so powerful that factions within it can afford to place inter-factional advantage over the national interest. Goes both ways.
How do you do that in Linux?
First, it is far easier to do this, as anyone who has tried to learn another language can attest. Second, in the case of on-the-fly translation, a native speaker is generally easier to understand both because they are unlikely to have an accent and because they will have a grasp of various idioms unique to a language.
Add to this the inevitable inefficiencies in government operations, and it's not surprising that they botched the translation. Furthermore, I believe Clinton misspoke: what she meant to say was "We hardly worked to get the right Russian word." (Not much of a stretch, considering how badly she "misspoke" regarding a certain visit to Bosnia...)
well, anyway, it is the thought that counts!
Hiliary Clinton as the perfect mate for Adrian Veidt...
They should have given him 3 buttons, "Ctrl" "Alt" and "Delete" and told him to push all 3 at once.
How do you do that in Linux?
I don't accept the premise. Linux is far too powerful to be handed over to the Russkies. We want them using Windows, and when I say "we" I include the CIA and NSA.
Hiliary Clinton as the perfect mate for Adrian Veidt...
Now there's a guy who's not afraid to make the tough decisions.
Correct, but when members of Congress ask either the CRS or State Department to translate important messages to members of foreign parliaments those agencies should either refer the work to someone on their staffs who is a native speaker of the language or admit they can't do it and recommend an outside translator or outsource it.
It's not as though there is a shortage of native speakers available in this country. Whenever there is a civil war anywhere in the world we get most of the losers.
Let's fix our stupid immigration system so that it favors education and talent rather than already having a relative here, then let's encourage a few civil wars in countries full of people with post-graduate degrees in math, science and engineering.
And while I'm in the neighborhood, anyone notice netbooks are getting better and better very quickly? The ASUS 1000HE is looking pretty good, and the 1008HA is looking really great. One of those with Linux and I'd be a happy camper.
We don't have shortages of people with degrees in math, science and engineering-- we have surpluses. Why would we want to add to the surplus by bringing in more people and increasing the unemployment in these fields? Note even before our current Depression we had surpluses, now have even greater.
Go to any of the job boards and see how many ads you see for mathematicians. I know mathematicians, physicists and engineers and they are having trouble finding work. Of course if one is young (<35) and cheap you might have a better chance.
Brian G,
Condi wouldn't have made the mistake because she 1) is is Russion/Soviet expert and 2) has better taste than to come up with something cute like that. Condi would go for something more tasteful.
President Barack Obama's gift of a set of DVDs to British Prime Minister Gordon Brown appalled the British media, furious about the lack of traditional protocol afforded to Brown while he was in Washington.
I'll take them off his hands if he doesn't want them. Seriously though, "appalled?" Are the Brits really that sensitive? What happened to that stiff upper lip?
In Soviet Russia, GFI outlet resets you
Most likely a few more people hating the copyrighters....
Thank you.
Not as easily. In a terminal:
su - (if you want root's login shell and home directory, if not, just su)
passwd
init 6
Or you could do:
Crtl-Alt F1
root
passwd
init 6
I'm appalled at my pedantry.
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Make an entry in inittab, then CtlAltDel works just like one expects, without need to login at all, let alone as root.
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# What to do at the "Three Finger Salute".
ca:12345:ctrlaltdel:/sbin/shutdown -r now
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The button that was gifted to the Russian is a machinery "Emergency Stop" button, in the universal Red over Yellow background. I bet it even "stuck" in the open (pressed in) condition, needing a separate operation to reset/restore it to it's normal condition.
A beautiful, shiny button; a jolly, candy-like button.
"No big deal", he said.
they had fun over that mistranslated "accident", and as the rest of the agenda - very constructive conversation.
As far as C.Rice, he said, she was dumb neoconservative shill still set in her cold war ways.....
These people are confident but dim.
Russians are forgiving and amused if somebody mispronounced or mistranslate the word.
What they do not like are the idiots who are stuck in the past and think that the
force is the only shtick in diplomatic relationships, in other words they despise neoconservatives , the latest USA administration and C.Rice - the shill, who turned out to be clueless as well.
Do you suppose that Hillary 'nem have never heard of "divide and conquer"? I bet the Russians have.
Cheesy is the word for that gift. Also puerile. I wish we had some grownups, somewhere ... for a brief period of time I thought H might be one.
I can't let myself think about the implications of the fact that they went to all that trouble to present something to a Russian person and it had the wrong Russian word on it.
Of course you can’t, because for most of the time they were either in denial that relations were declining or they blamed Moscow for everything.
That's what really upsets the wingers - the fact that Hillary is talking to Russians and others at all. Peace sucks, nobody gets rich when there is peace. In addition actually talking to adversaries threatens their masculinity. Of course most them were never manly enough to actually fight for their country.
Hmmm. Didn't know that.
Here's the entry in inittab now:
# what to do when CTRL-ALT-DEL is pressed
ca::ctrlaltdel:/sbin/shutdown -r -t 4 now
I just put my user name in, reboot. Thanks. Live and learn.
Did you push the history eraser button in your own private history? The rest of us remember Bush gazing lovingly into Putin's eyes. Your version fits well into certain prejudices harbored by international elites to their own advantage (what yours is, one can only wonder), but has the disadvantage of mapping poorly onto the facts.
BTW, what is your good bud Lavrov telling his own people about America these days? Your faux-sophistication at the expense of your own fellow citizens is shameful.
Having worked at State and with State's Language Services Division peripherally, I'm damn sure that this translation was not a product of the Language Services' translators.
Instead, it was likely the product of a Clinton staffer, in Russia, acting on what was perceived as a cute idea. Acting under time pressure, corners were cut and we have the result before us.
State's Language Services are professional and their translators are native speakers. The major problem with them is that they take forever to get a translation just right. That's not a bad thing when it comes to things like treaties and international agreements, of course, but it's often a matter of weeks, if not months, before they satisfy themselves that things are just right.
They are incapable--because it is not their remit--of producing fast translations.
I dealt with them during the merging of the US Information Agency with State. My office at the time was responsible for providing quick and accurate translations of major speeches into various languages, including Russian, French, and Arabic. These translations had to be done within hours of the speeches' delivery for them to have any utility. Language Division was unaware that this was being done as they had proprietary interests in providing translations. When they learned of the time element, however, they gracefully backed away.
USIA's successor, the International Information Programs now within State's R Bureau, continues to provide rapid translations, but do not generally (for a variety of legitimate reasons) provide translations as the subject example... here, likely because they weren't asked.
This example truly does carry the scent of a locally produced (i.e., in Russia) great idea. As Tatyana points out, this was an error in proof reading, not utter cluelessness.
We've got the very best blowhards! And you'd have to look long and hard to find better buck pushers.
Then the question will be, see knew who she was working for, didn't she see this coming?
I'm trying to imagine Emanuel behind this situation and failing. How is he supposed to have pulled the strings to make this happen? Suggested "reset" to Clinton? Heard about the "reset" button, suggested a translator to Clinton, and then told the translator to get the translation subtly wrong?
I'm not buying any of this; Clinton is perfectly capable of making mistakes without anyone's help.
Maybe it was overload in the alternative usage, as in the vernacular: "allowing one's mouth to overload your ass."
But the State Department would never allow that to occur."
Well, that was John Bolton's usual posture.
Peace sucks, nobody gets rich when there is peace.
um... is that how things are in your orbit? in our world, when there is peace people in general prosper. "peace &prosperity" is not a contradiction.
Wait a second, Obama gave a gift of region one DVDs to the UK prime minister?
I've never seen any confirmation that they are region 1. People seem to assume it.
It's not all that hard to get all-region DVDs, or, for that matter, a DVD player that will play all regions.
Wait a second, Obama gave a gift of region one DVDs to the UK prime minister?
Syd Henderson:
I've never seen any confirmation that they are region 1. People seem to assume it.
It's not all that hard to get all-region DVDs, or, for that matter, a DVD player that will play all regions.
Me:
But what about NTSC (American TV system) vs. PAL (British)?
JNL - they don't have to reload. They just convince the Chinese to stop buying t-bills. Then it's game, set, match.
The real question is why is the Obama administration doing this, or are there two different efforts underway, one by Obama against a our best ally and Clinton for trying to undermine Obama?
Maybe as Sec State, Clinton was involved in both and is trying to make Obama look like a fool.
Like a cake shaped like a key?
Wow -- what impresses me is the degree of unity the Russians seem to have. You can't get two Americans to agree on the time of day, much less complex matters of foreign policy. I guess I just never realized how united the Russians are. Look out world!
- Alaska Jack
The Big Red Button means a device(s) used to launch nuclear weapons. A person in charge may be referred to as "having his/her finger on The Button."
Wondering if the failure to stop this indicates some lack of freedom in nay-saying at State.
Somehow I doubt Condi Rice would have made the same mistake."
Indeed, she make her mistakes on a much larger scale. "No one could have expected....."
So neoconservatives are despised by Russians because . . . neoconservatives are too similar?
Then again, there is absolutely no evidence that Russians have ever used force as a schtick, unlike those American Neo-Cons in South Ossetia and Abkhazia.
Clever Name to Come Later
The phrase 'push the reset button' (нажмите кнопку сброса; nazhmite knopku cbrosa) appears in on-line support docs from Apple. It may still be wrong or unidiomatic, but it's certainly not laughable.
If Hillary had spent two minutes with Google, this little episode could have been avoided -- but perhaps she has John McCain's internet skills ...
сброс (sbros') literally translates as "dump" (or in computerized vocabulary as in stack dump). I think it's not the point here, tho.
Even with an accurate translation "reset" does not have the same cultural meaning in Russia as it does in English. Partially, because, as some of you here kindly called us Russkies, you'd be hard pressed to find real Russian computer literates using windows (Unix/Linux is more like it) , and before pushing "reset" button, it's usually preluded by exquisite profanity rants and frustration -- if you have to "reset" something that doesn't work, trust me, it won't stick around much as far as computers go.
Anyway, I think the real problem here is, that (sorry for the harsh comparison), new American Administration foreign initiatives are more like a dog in heat courting everyone and everything without much discrimination. The underlined bloopers such as collection of DVDs, or mispronunciation of names or giving a red button as a gift that made a lot of people raise their eye brows (at least the ones that remember good old days of Cold War) merely demonstrate lack of understanding of other cultures, respect and proper protocol. So, while Clinton is busy serenading in the name of peace and prosperity, for a causal observer there's more than enough incidents to question whether or not the new administration knows what they're doing.
Her use of the cackle could well be a winning tactic. I can see diplomats saying that they'd agree to anything as long as she promises not to unleash it again.
[Hillary is a fine person. I don't intend an ad hominem attack. I criticize the horrendous sound. A sound that coaches should have worked with her to improve.]
What do Russians have against Jedi?
What is up with these amateur hour mistakes. It's only been a few weeks, surely the Obamamaniacs attention span isn't that short.
EvilDave wins the thread.
I wish Hillary came with a reset button.
Continued here:
rebellionbrewery.com/?p=312
that is one of the most creative "excuses" I've heard. By the way, did the button come with a manual?
Anyway, needless to say the whole reason for new administration to come up with "reset" buzzword was precisely because the relations between the two nations didn't suffer from the "overload", but rather complete opposite. As a result, one may say there's an overload of evidence that a bit of a research is always a good thing when you're trying to build up relations. So what now, reset?
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Oh my God .. the "official" should be fired. No wonder there is a flap about Limbaugh, they have to distract from stuff like this.
Is there anybody left at State who remembers proper protocol ?
... or have they all been sent to Gitmo ?
What kind of person publicizes such a comment coming from their own country, even if true? What exactly do you, or we, have to gain by pouring oil onto a new fire at this time?
But then Benji posted a picture of the button (scroll up three or four comments). Zooming in, it's definitely not engraved. Both labels "PEREGRUZKA" and "RESET" are on label-maker tape (like in a $35.00 label maker from Walmart). I think someone got the translation over the phone and garbled it.
The button is an Emergency Stop button from any industrial electrical supplier. I've purchased and installed enough of them to know. The color and shape are standard, because when you need the E-Stop you don't have time to read labels. Note the arrows on it, you slap the button down to stop the machine, it locks down, and you twist to release it.
IOW, it's a gag gift.
Now it is not as though a lot of U.S. officials may not think this, and have for a long time, but it is a diplomatic faux pas to come out and say it. Amateur hour at State.
Its easy when dissenters are gunned down in the street.
Right. Because Obama's fingerprints are all over that typo. Just like he's responsible for the typos in these comment threads.
That hour of sleep we lost last night? Obama took it.
Spam? Telemarketing? Kenny G?
Obama. Obama. Obama.
The box has two words, "peregruzka" and "reset", but none is intended as a translation for the other. The word on top, peregruzka, describes a condition or a state when the button should be pressed while the word below the button is a description of the action initiated by pressing the button.
Considering that current US-Russia relationship is overloaded with hostility and suspicions, an overload device with a reset button makes sense.
Well, count it as another gaffe fully manufactured and executed by Clinton.
It came out over the weekend that this was a Joe Biden idea. So, you're right, we can't blame the Pres. for this one -- it only reaches to the Office of the V.P.
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