This Cartoon Could Be Illegal, If Two Iowa Legislators Have Their Way:

Thanks to commenter Subpatre for passing it along, apropos these legislators' proposal to ban such speech, among other kinds of speech:

Sk (mail):
If they were minorities, and hostile enough (to qualify for Hate Speech-an entirely political, subjective qualification), it already is illegal.

That horse is already out of the barn.

Sk
3.11.2009 12:43pm
lonetown (mail):
Similar to McCain-Feingold, no?

I thought that passed muster.
3.11.2009 12:57pm
DiverDan (mail):
If and when that becomes illegal, it's time for a whole lot of civil disobedience, and a whole lot of jury nullification - after all, the original purpose of the right to trial by jury (at least as it arose under the Magna Carta) was to permit juries to protect the accused from tyrranical laws.
3.11.2009 1:19pm
Eugene Volokh (www):
Sk: Any chance you can point us to some specific sources that support your proposition? I'm a prominent critic of hostile environment harassment law, but even I am pretty sure that my posting a hostile political cartoon on my blog -- even about politicians from minority groups -- wouldn't be illegal. I should note, incidentally, that I posted the Mohammed cartoons a few years ago, without any worry that they would be found illegal.

Lonetown: Not really similar to McCain-Feingold. I have no love for McCain-Feingold, but at least it (as interpreted by the Court) had an exemption for media criticism, didn't cover criticism that didn't involve material amounts of money, allowed criticism by individuals, and more. It may well be that some campaign finance restriction maximalists (perhaps including McCain and Feingold themselves) would support broader bans, but it's clear given Buckley v. Valeo and McConnell v. FEC that noncorporate/nonunion independent expenditures criticizing or supporting candidates are indeed constitutionally protected.
3.11.2009 1:21pm
trad and anon (mail):
Perhaps these legislators are friends with some out-of-work lawyers who could use some Section 1983 prevailing party attorneys' fees?
3.11.2009 1:39pm
James Eaves-Johnson (mail) (www):
Mascher's name is not (at this moment) listed on the bill. Am I missing something? I work in her district and live just outside it, and this would make for a fun column in my local paper, but I don't want to misrepresent her involvement.
3.11.2009 1:58pm
Eugene Volokh (www):
James Eaves-Johnson: I saw Mascher described as a sponsor of the bill at StateSurge.com, which seemed like a credible source. But your comment prompted me to e-mail her; I'll correct things if it turns out StateSurge was wrong on this.
3.11.2009 2:06pm
Sk (mail):
Eugene:

Any and all offensive . . . speech implicating considerations of race” — ILLEGAL, says another injunction.

“Where pure expression is involved, Title VII steers into the territory of the First Amendment. It is no use to deny or minimize this problem because, when Title VII is applied to sexual harassment claims founded solely on verbal insults, pictorial, or literary matter, the statute imposes content-based, viewpoint-discriminatory restrictions on speech.” Circuit Judge Edith Jones, writing (albeit in dictum) for a unanimous panel of the Fifth Circuit, DeAngelis v. El Paso Mun. Police Officers’ Ass’n, 51 F.3d 591 (5th Cir. 1995).

With little fanfare, “workplace harassment law” has become one of the government’s broadest — and most constitutionally troublesome — speech restrictions. It has been used to suppress, among other things,

· political statements,
· religious proselytizing,
· art, such as prints of Francisco de Goya paintings,
· sexually themed (perhaps not even misogynistic) jokes."



this is from your own link to your own article. Was it a joke question?

Maybe you are suggesting that the only comparable case would be an exact duplicate of the exact cartoon, in the exact same location, posted on the exact same day (but with different skin color, or ethnicity, or gender, or other protected class status). Any other example of speech-inhibiting laws, without this detailed identity of circumstances, doesn't represent similar freedom of speech problems. (Note that posting two cartoons at the exact same place at the exact same time is physically impossible-if this is your argument, why, its physically impossible to prove you wrong!).

Sk
3.11.2009 2:08pm
JK:
All the more reason to end Iowa's first-in-the-nation caucus if these are the type of people they choose to run things.
3.11.2009 2:24pm
einhverfr (mail) (www):
SK: Such harassment would be limited to the work environment, no? As such it may be strictly a forum issue.

I.e. Anything that Eugene posts on this blog can't be used for fodder in a hostile workplace suit against his employer, can it?
3.11.2009 3:02pm
einhverfr (mail) (www):
SK:

Also after reading the decision you cited, I don't think it supports your position. In fact, in that decision, the court REVERSED the judgement and thus found the material insufficient to be subject of a suit.
3.11.2009 3:21pm
Eugene Volokh (www):
Sk: For all its flaws, hostile work environment harassment law doesn't bar newspapers or blogs or leafleters from publishing and distributing political advocacy (though it might, unfortunately, hold employers liable if employees put up the leaflets in their offices or distribute them at the work site). So while I think that in many applications hostile work environment harassment law is unconstitutional, the Iowa proposal would have covered a vast range of material that hostile work environment harassment law doesn't cover (even when the material is about minority politicians).
3.11.2009 3:47pm
einhverfr (mail) (www):
Also (IANAL), I think one of the differences with hostile workplace laws is that, while the hostile workplace laws in principle don't criminalize offensive speech as such and only make an employer liable for CAMPAIGNS of offensive speech and only to the extent that they make equal opportunity in employment IMPOSSIBLE, most businesses are going to draw the line at where a lawsuit can be quickly dismissed. Hence it encourages employers to have very restrictive employee-speech policies. However, it is in the end a matter between the employee and the employer.

Also I doubt that merely hiring someone like David Duke would be sufficient to cause a hostile workplace for blacks, assuming Mr Duke behaved himself at work. An employer might not want to take that chance though.

On the other hand, this sort of law as proposed would make sweeping abridgments of free speech across forums. This is a very, very different matter and something I think that is entirely irreconcilable with the First Amendment.
3.11.2009 5:42pm
Sagar:
Let's ridicule these clowns 'before' they pass any such laws:)
3.12.2009 12:25am
Randy R. (mail):
Shut up is two words. I'm offended by the lack of good grammar.
3.12.2009 12:55pm

Post as: [Register] [Log In]

Account:
Password:
Remember info?

If you have a comment about spelling, typos, or format errors, please e-mail the poster directly rather than posting a comment.

Comment Policy: We reserve the right to edit or delete comments, and in extreme cases to ban commenters, at our discretion. Comments must be relevant and civil (and, especially, free of name-calling). We think of comment threads like dinner parties at our homes. If you make the party unpleasant for us or for others, we'd rather you went elsewhere. We're happy to see a wide range of viewpoints, but we want all of them to be expressed as politely as possible.

We realize that such a comment policy can never be evenly enforced, because we can't possibly monitor every comment equally well. Hundreds of comments are posted every day here, and we don't read them all. Those we read, we read with different degrees of attention, and in different moods. We try to be fair, but we make no promises.

And remember, it's a big Internet. If you think we were mistaken in removing your post (or, in extreme cases, in removing you) -- or if you prefer a more free-for-all approach -- there are surely plenty of ways you can still get your views out.