For comprehensive discussion of the First Bank of the United States, a leading authority is Mark R. Killenbeck, M’Culloch v. Maryland: Securing a Nation (2006) (Killenbeck has the spelling correct). The book is reviewed by H. Robert Baker in http://legalhistoryblog.blogspot.com/2007/07/baker-reviews-killenbeck-mculloch-v.html
Now that I have inflamed nearly everyone by suggesting that partisan political activity be toned down at the White House, I will turn to religion.
I start with the radical suggestion that the best place for free exercise of religion in Washington is St. John’s Church across the street from the White House, or any other church, synagogue, mosque, temple or house of worship. Bringing religion directly into the work of the White House or another government entity can only cause trouble.
I do not address this as a matter of constitutional law, or theology, which I leave to others. I am saying that government entanglement with religion is difficult from a government ethics lawyer’s perspective. The more entanglement there is, the more difficulty there is. Combine religion with partisan political activity, as many government officials now do, and the ethics lawyer confronts a three way mix of Hatch Act regulations, the Establishment Clause and government ethics regulations. I pointed out in an earlier post that ethics problems often begin when someone thinks he or she can wear two hats instead of one. Try three.
We have throughout history had references to religious values by persons making government policy, perhaps even more so than references to civic values of political parties. This is not the problem. Appropriate boundaries are difficult to draw, but to the extent actual government functions instead of political rhetoric test the limits of those boundaries, government ethics and other legal questions move to the fore.
Entirely apart from Establishment Clause issues, a lawyer must be mindful of Office of Government Ethics regulations that prohibit government employees from using their office to endorse a particular organization, such as a particular church. There are also prohibitions on use of public office for the private gain of an individual or an organization.
Government meetings with religious leaders, like meetings with union leaders and corporate leaders, are appropriate. Government meetings with religious leaders that are used to promote fundraising by a non-government organization are, however, inappropriate use of public office for private gain. A White House staff member’s speech to members of a religious organization can be an official speech, but a White House staff member should actively participate in a sectarian religious service only in a personal capacity not an official capacity (giving an official speech and then passively sitting in on a sectarian service afterwards is in the gray area). This is also an area in which a more flexible standard is applied to the President and Vice President and to ceremonial functions where one of them is present such as a memorial service.
One time I recommended that a particular religious leader be invited into the White House. I was concerned that press coverage suggested that the White House relied too much on politically active evangelical leaders and at least twice thought I saw James Dobson hanging around the West Wing Lobby. The Office of Faith Based Initiatives was intended to reach out to a broad range of religious leaders, which it was doing, but having more high profile leaders from different perspectives could always help. I had met the retired Archbishop of Canterbury, George Carey, at a social function and I had heard that he was in Washington for much of the year. I suggested that the White House Faith Based Office invite him in for a meeting, which it did
The meeting was supposed to be official and it was informative, at least from a international comparative perspective, for assessing a justification for having a White House Faith Based Office to begin with. The meeting was to inform us about how much churches in the Anglican Communion do or do not require support from governments around the world to conduct their social programs for the poor (the answer we learned was that they do not get much government support for these programs and the best thing governments can do is not get in the way)
At the end of the meeting a White House staff member suggested we end in prayer. Others seemed to consent. Archbishop Carey then raised the point that this might not be suitable because everyone else in the room was there in a government capacity. He was assured that U.S. government employees were free to pray in a personal capacity. The situation was confusing, however, because he had been told that the purpose of the meeting was official.
There we were, I as the White House ethics lawyer at what everyone had been told was an official meeting, and the Archbishop of Canterbury was calling us on questions of separation of church and state. True, the meeting could be personal instead of official if people wanted it that way. I didn’t see how it could be both.
The meeting became unofficial. With the last “amen” was the executive privilege, if there ever was any, for the entire meeting waived? Alternatively, were there two meetings – an official meeting and a prayer meeting – instead of one? This was a muddle indeed.
Admittedly, many of us bring personal views, and sometimes our religious faith, to this discussion. I belong to a church known for a formal mode of worship that does not spill over easily into the workplace (more recently Episcopalians have also been known for ignoring the world’s problems while engaging in a loud argument between those who believe the Bishop of New Hampshire is not qualified for office and those who believe that the personal life of the Bishop of New Hampshire is the business of the Bishop of New Hampshire). Perhaps it is my own bias, but I am persuaded by the analysis of religion and politics in a book by an Episcopal clergyman who was also a United States Senator. See John Danforth, Faith and Politics: How the "Moral Values" Debate Divides America and How to Move Forward Together (2006)
Some conduct in this area is perfectly legal; it is just embarrassing. An example was a series of “Justice Sundays” in 2005 during which U.S. Senators and other politicians conducted telecasts from churches urging an end to filibusters and other tactics Democrats were using to delay Senate confirmation of nominees to the federal bench (the Eleventh Commandment “thou shalt not filibuster” is of greater or lesser theological importance depending on who controls the Senate). Such electioneering would not occur in the vast majority of churches, synagogues, mosques and other places of worship. Many Americans believe the Justice Department and Senate hearing rooms are more appropriate places to discuss these issues. Because so many people found it distasteful, “Justice Sunday” may have backfired and encumbered the Administration’s ability to get some qualified judicial nominees confirmed.
I am not suggesting that more rules will address this problem; rules often make things worse. I am suggesting that voluntary restraint by government officials who stand well clear of legal limits would restore public trust in government, and in organized religion. It would also make a government ethics lawyer’s life easier.
We seem to have reached a point where the manner in which one Republican (Governor Palin) says she does not enjoy working with certain other Republicans (McCain staffers) is to say she does not want to pray with them. We have also reached the point where such a remark, instead of being ignored, is viewed as the highest form of insult and a cause for yet more Party infighting. If we keep carrying on in this way, I hope someone is praying for the future of the Republican Party.
As Republicans conduct what amounts to a factionalized prayer meeting, the Country is under one-party rule. The Government owns more and more of our economy and asserts more power over our private lives. Churches for the time being remain independent, but one wonders what will happen when churches, bankrupted by litigation, discover that they too need a bailout and that only one small clause of the Constitution stands in the way.
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There we were, I as the White House ethics lawyer at what everyone had been told was an official meeting, and the Archbishop of Canterbury was calling us on questions of separation of church and state. True, the meeting could be personal instead of official if people wanted it that way. I didn’t see how it could be both.
The meeting became unofficial. With the last “amen” was the executive privilege, if there ever was any, for the entire meeting waived? Alternatively, were there two meetings – an official meeting and a prayer meeting – instead of one? This was a muddle indeed."
This anecdote does the exact opposite to me that you probably want or expect. Rather than illustrating the conundrums that ethics lawyers have to face, I find it illustrates the absurdity that lawyers force the rest of us to face. A group of people, in a private setting (by private, I mean one in which the public is not participating or allowed-not in terms of the private sector) who want to pray, are stopped from doing so by a clergyman, and then have to create the facade of 'two meetings' in order to gloss over an imagined ethical problem? It could easily be a Monty Python sketch, with characters bickering over ever-expanding minutiae ('but wait! Can we really hold a 'private meeting' with the Seal of the President facing the room? Quick, somebody turn that thing around!' 'But wait! I'm still wearing my White House ID card!?' and so on).
So you read it as a message to not pray. I read it as a message to let human beings be human beings. In other words, the muddle was entirely imaginary. People talked business, then people wanted to pray. Only the clergyman, interjecting his disfavor (!?!?), and the ethics lawyer, interjecting his concern that people wanted to pray (instead of, I suppose, talk Redskins or tell dirty jokes), create a dilemma.
Sk
So is your point that the Pledge of Allegiance is unconstitutional under the Establishment Clause even if it didn't have a reference to God?
BTW--"Americans" is spelled with a "c." I presume this was a typo.
SK your point is spot on. But the problem is hardly one of just ethics. IMO we in the real world recognize and are repelled by the absurdity of being constrained in almost every aspect by laws; where every action we take, no matter how benign, must be measured against its legal risk. Lawyers, on the other hand, take the absurdities for granted, and with approval. They instinctively fail to comprehend the big-picture stupidity of a society over lawyered and over lawed. If it were otherwise we wouldn't have such conundrums as Painter describes.
As Sk notes, if you treat religion differently from, say, telling a dirty joke or talking about the football game, then you are hostile to it. If one is in a circumstance where one can talk about "unofficial" business like the big game, then to say that one cannot during the same time period pray or discuss religious topics, then you have become intolerant of and hostile to religious expression.
In perhaps more legal language, you have engaged in viewpoint-based discrimination against speech. One type of speech is deemed acceptable (idle chit-chat), while another type of speech is forbidden, simply because of the religious viewpoint of the latter.
In perhaps more legal language, you have engaged in viewpoint-based discrimination against speech. One type of speech is deemed acceptable (idle chit-chat), while another type of speech is forbidden, simply because of the religious viewpoint of the latter.
Bingo. Unfortunately, many people are extremely hostile towards religion and often engage in that sort of viewpoint discrimination.
Tell me where the constitution mentions football or dirty jokes.
While I'm not terribly fond of seeing such routine prayers in government meetings on a large scale, I don't see any legal difficulties, nor practical difficulties, in encountering such prayers at a meeting between a bishop and the office of faith-based initiatives. And I think that there are those in the Republican Party who are becoming hostile not just to extreme religious zealots but to any introduction of religion into public life at all, at least beyond the most traditional of opening prayers, etc.
When I worked for our state's governor a number of years ago, he hosted a bible study breakfast at the mansion once a week. It was open to all staffers, from the mail-room on up. Some people attended, others didn't. Those attending obtained no benefit other than the spiritual guidance and relief often provided; those who chose not to attend suffered no adverse actions. There's absolutely nothing wrong with that.
And there's nothing wrong with Sarah Palin not praying with some group of people, either... especially people who were as hostile to her as some of the McCain staff seemed to be.
It was a running joke in my office that I knew nothing about sports. When the subject of football comes up, I've been known to ask, "is that the one with the pointy ball?". Would a similar joke about your Lord be OK?
You are seriously warping Governor Palin's recent statement too.
"But the problem is hardly one of just ethics. IMO we in the real world recognize and are repelled by the absurdity of being constrained in almost every aspect by laws; where every action we take, no matter how benign, must be measured against its legal risk."
I agree with your assessment, but its not just legal burdens that are included. I think of it as ‘procedural minutiae’ that anyone who works in a big organization, and has to sit through (and roll their eyes at) has to endure. If you have ever seen ‘Flight of the Concords’ there is a recurring joke when the band manager holds a band meeting: he goes through a roll call to start the meeting (even though there are a total of 3 people in the room, and they are sitting perhaps 3 feet apart-the roll call is unnecessary because it is self-evident. He starts the roll call by saying his own name and responding 'present').
Before a group of people willingly pray with each other, they have to debate whether their meeting is a personal or official meeting? And consult the government ethics lawyer? And this ‘procedural minutiae’ is motivated by concerns on the part of the…clergyman?!?!?! Seriously, it’s the setup for a comedy sketch.
Putting two and two, and ArthurKirkland: You would raise legitimate questions in a hypothetical situation (whether someone is being compelled to pray, or whether someone would really pray to a religion that they don’t believe in-like Druidism).
But the anecdote isn’t that hypothetical situation. There was no indication in the story that people were being compelled to pray against their will, and no indication that the clergyman’s or the lawyer’s concerns were motivated by silent, unwilling participants. Rather, they were concerned with the praying itself-not its popularity.
Sk
The rub comes because most people regard this as so bland and innocuous as to be inoffensive and not worth mentioning, but a significant minority with no religion or a different religion regard this civil deism as uncomfortably specific. To resolve this conflict we seek clear principles, but the best we can hope for are cobbled-together arrangements which no one finds satisfactory.
Or, if at the end of a meeting of constituents and government officials in the same office, I said, "OK, everyone, let's just have a small prayer to mark the end of our discussion. With all the sadness and hardship in our work, and worship of the supernatural, I think this prayer is called for." At which point I demonstrate that we should all look upward, hands outstretched, palms toward the sky, and begin to recite a prayer from an obscure religion that worships the sun and begs forgiveness with respect to "those who ignore our natural world and seek solace in the supernatural."
If there is a legal distinction between those activities and a heads-bowed, eyes-closed prayer to "God our Father," it eludes me. I don't see a moral or practical distinction, either. Mostly, bad manners.
(Yes, I agree with SK. I don't see there being an ethics or legal problem if people want to pray at the end of a meeting and ask others to join them -- the 1st Amendment does permit the free exercise of religion. What I take from Painter's example is fear of criticism by certain segments in the Press or by political opponents being disguised as an ethical problem.).
Similarly, it's a lot more threatening when someone says, "We all believe in affirmative action, don't we--- since it's it's racist not to and you're all forbidden by law to discriminate" than when someone says, "We all believe in the supremacy of the Pope, don't we-- since if you don't, you're not a Roman Catholic." When people call their faith-held belief "ethics" they're a lot more dangerous than when they call them "religion".
No.
Most of the clergymen who hung around the Bush White House didn't need to pray that people like me be damned. They already knew we are. With certainty. Not that that would reflect on their positions vis-a-vis my rights or anything...
This is the complaint that many Christians have about English bishops, actually: that they are noticeably less enthusiastic about God and than ordinary members and noticeably friendlier towards the secular establishment. You don't get to be a bishop by being religious, and there is some question as to whether or not it's an actual handicap. (It's open to question because believers count at least as interest group in the Church of England, and a group that supplies a lot of the fund, so they have to be tossed a bone now and then even if the church establishment would rather have a more purely social-policy-minded bench of bishops.)
Assuming that this was Rowan Williams...
Of course, the exercise might be more "piling" than "stacking," because I doubt a stack of the requisite magnitude would be stable.
I don't see a distinction at all, and I don't see why anyone who worships the Sun would have a legal or ethical obligation to refrain from that sort of talk, if other non-official talk is permitted as well.
"This is the complaint that many Christians have about English bishops, actually....": well it's not a complaint that this Briton has against Carey. To most Britons what was suggested would seem bloody rude, potentially
pressuring people to pray who did not wish to. Hats off to Carey for his good manners and wisdom, and, of course, his caution about offending American church-and-state dogma. (It's a dogma of which I happen to approve, but that's not my point.)
DangerMouse... exactly!
I'm with ruuffles: I find it interesting that you're willing to claim protection for government staffers at an official meeting under the Free Speech Clause, while simultaneously ignoring the Establishment Clause.
At the risk of stating the obvious: The FSC applies to private citizens acting in their private capacity. Govt. staffers in their govt. capacity do not enjoy free speech. The government is not allowed to show preference for a religion (or even for religion); these staffers in their official capacity are government. The Bishop and Mr. Painter were right to try to draw a distinction.
The analogy to football is inapt; there is no Sports Establishment Clause enjoining govt. from preferring football to baseball.
A polite guest might assume that a group leader would know whether a request would be offensive, but a sentient guest would know better than to assume that the group leader would care.
Read as you and others try to read it, the Establishment Clause is in fact HOSTILE to religion. It allows government to sanction any sort of moral or ethical beliefs and ideologies EXCEPT religious ones.
What is the fundamental difference between, say, all participants in a meeting jointly reciting a passage from Emmanuel Kant and all reciting a passage from St. Thomas Aquinas?
You are, of course, correct that government staffers do not fully enjoy their First Amendment freedoms while on the clock. They can be restricted from promoting political or other ideas to their customers and clients, for example. But as long as government doesn't actually mandate that anybody pray, there's nothing in the Constitution which says "thou shalt not pray while on the public clock."
Why are you so hostile to religion and not other forms of philosophy?
Link?
Occam's Razor would suggest it had more to do with the outrageous (and inaccurate) things that were being leaked to the press behind her back.
"Hostility" is a strong word for it.
I can't tell if you're making a normative or descriptive case. Are you saying that the EC doesn't constrain the behavior of govt. officials, or that it shouldn't? If it doesn't, than what does it do? If it shouldn't, you need to propose and amendment. Good luck.
I don't read it as hostile to religion; but it is hostile to govt. -- and therefore govt. officials acting in their official capacity-- favoring (a) religion. I think that's the correct reading, and the courts mostly agree. I'm making a descriptive case, and just because you don't like it doesn't make it any less real.
The EC does more than say "govt. may not mandate that anybody pray." There are other ways to favor a religion beyond mandating that people adhere.
But you imply there's another way to read the EC... so exactly how would you read it?
On a personal note, I'm only hostile to those that are hostile themselves. And I've never met a hostile Kantian.
Yet we only recently had as our formal (read notional) represtentative of the head of state an Anglican leader of some kind. And the Federal government subsidisies Catholic Schools as well as ecumenical education in public schools.
A question of emphasis, I guess.
As for the Druid prayer, sure, why not? How about a recitation of the Runattals Thatr Odhins?
If as you say, there was no pressure to attend and nobody who did not attend was discriminated, I guess that is not much different than the governor throwing a super bowl party. However, I've lived in places where this sort of invitation came with quite a bit of pressure to attend and lead to becoming an "outsider" with promotions denied to those who did not attend. Thus, I am leery of these prayer events, especially if they are being championed by the top dog in any office.
So, why not wait? Wait till you get home, wait until later, or at very least, as the Bishop and Mr. Painter suggest, wait until someone says, "with the official business out of the way, lets close the meeting and move onto unofficial stuff." What would be the harm in that? Why must the EC be read strictly to allow you to pray while you're acting in an official capacity? Why not read it more broadly, or at least gracefully acknowledge that some other people[1] do, and err on the side of reassuring the people that their government doesn't favor religion, or the religious?
Derived from that last point, a normative take on the EC: The EC should be read as preventing government officials acting in their official capacity from performing religious acts. Why? Because a govt official should act in ways that give all her constituents confidence that they are well represented by the official.
One way to do that would be to share religion with the constituents; but you can't possibly share religion with all your 300 million constituents, because with near-certainty at least 2 constituents share mutually exclusive religious views.
The only other possibility is to set aside --as much as possible-- actions that appear to show your preference for one religion, and act in a completely secular way in all official actions. This is one of the main purposes for the separation of church and state.
This is why the football analogy is inapt: a constituent can still believe that a Steelers fan can make policies that treat all people fairly, without favoring Steelers fans and disfavoring Dodgers fans[2]. But we've all experienced situations where we felt people of a different religion were unable to understand our point of view; and we don't feel well represented by people who don't understand us. So, as an official, the ability to defer your personal sectarian actions demonstrates an ability to fairly represent people of all creeds, while the desire to mix the sectarian and the official creates doubt.
[1] I'm being generous here; it's not just some people that read it this way; it's the courts.
[2] Yes, I know. It's a joke; I, too, know very little about football.
Am I the only person who doesn't like religion being reduced to a "form[] of philosophy"?
Do you think churches should somehow be exempt from accountability for their actions?
Reduced?
I sure hope there's a statute, regulation or policy that prohibits them from doing so. Government employees are being paid to work, not to pray. They can pray on their own dime, not on mine.
If the Bishop of New Hampshire was routinely engaging in sex with 18 - 20 year old female members of his congregation, would you consider that "actions disqualifying him from his office"? Or would you hold that "the personal life of the Bishop of New Hampshire is [solely] the business of the Bishop of New Hampshire"? How about if he had both a wife and a mistress, and made a habit of bring the mistress to public events? How about if he divorced his wife of 25 years so he could marry a 22 year old hottie?
In short, do you really not understand how fatuously stupid and flamingly dishonest your characterization of the dispute is?
Narrowly, the dispute is about whether or no the US Episcopalian Church should honor the Church's long standing rules against homosexual behavior. more broadly, it is a dispute between those people who believe that the Episcopalian Church ought to stand for something, and those who think it should be a social club with regular (albeit poorly attended) Sunday meetings.
Should your dishonest characterization of the situation be taken as an admission that you don't believe there are good arguments for your side?
On the other hand, I do think HeScreams merits a wins-the-thread nomination for "And I've never met a hostile Kantian." It would be tough to universalize a maxim that all rational beings ought always to be hostile to one another.
Perhaps oddly, for a philosopher, I also appreciate Bama1L's question, "Am I the only person who doesn't like religion being reduced to a "form of philosophy?" I think this gets to something important about religion and state neutrality.
For most people, religion is not like football - much less like dirty jokes. I'm a non-theist, but I understand that people who have strong religious commitments regard them as important in their lives and to their identities in ways that being a football fan or a consummate teller of jokes just cannot be. And, for many of us non-religionists who live in this country, in particular, religion is also not a like interest in sports or humor … or gardening. It is cathected. It may be cathected positively or negatively or simply in a kind of ‘hot potato’ way.
I don’t understand why religionists would want their faith reduce to a mere ‘interest’ such as a hobby or sports, and I reject the claim that the rest of us should pretend it is comparable to such interests. Religion and non-religion are afforded a special place in the Constitution precisely because these are important matters, the kind of matters over which people go to war, persecute one another, and tear apart nations.
I would be very uncomfortable if someone ended a professional meeting with a suggestion that we all pray. I don’t pray, and I do not want to be put in the position of either announcing that fact or pretending to pray. I take it that Arthur’s examples of Druidic or Sun-Worshipping prayers in an official setting are intended to bring this discomfort home to those who assume that their religious perspective will always be the one taken by peers and colleagues. Try this under the Categorical Imperative: “Any person in any situation may call upon the others present to pray to whatever entity the caller chooses – and the others may not be offended.”
I didn’t think that would go down well.
"Hear, O Israel: Jehovah our God is one Jehovah: 5 and thou shalt love Jehovah thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy might. 6 And these words, which I command thee this day, shall be upon thy heart; 7 and thou shalt teach them diligently unto thy children, and shalt talk of them when thou sittest in thy house, and when thou walkest by the way, and when thou liest down, and when thou risest up. 8 And thou shalt bind them for a sign upon thy hand, and they shall be for frontlets between thine eyes. 9 And thou shalt write them upon the door-posts of thy house, and upon thy gates."
That prayer is strongly supportive of religion at the workplace, too:
"and shalt talk of them when thou sittest in thy house, and when thou walkest by the way, and when thou liest down, and when thou risest up."
a formal mode of worship that does not spill over easily into the workplace
Depends how you do it. The BCP has numerous prayers for all occasions including daily services (Morning &Evening Prayer) meant for home (or office) use. If one chooses to pray the Daily Office: Vespers, Compline, Matins, Prime, Terce, Sext, None you can outdo Muslims with 7 prayer sessions. Terce, Sext, and None occur during ordinary work hours.
Bishop of New Hampshire is not qualified for office
Perhaps if the left-wing leadership of TEC had not seen fit to elect Victoria Imogene Robinson (note to parents try not to give your boys girl's names) Bishop of New Hampshire, members of the Communion could have found other things to talk about. Trads in the church didn't initiate the conflict. The idea that a bishop should be better behaved than priests or laymen is widespread in Christianity. The practice of deserting one's wife and children in search of greater sexual gratification seems inconsistent with the standards required of a bishop.
I gather that generic ethics is supposed to be a secular substitute for religious instruction. As such, it is useful only for the 15 percent of the population who self-identify as godless. They could probably use it.
Which will not keep me from pointing out, however, that sdfsdf has both mis-translated the Shemah and taken parts of it out of context.
The Shemah is the essential declaration of G-d's unity and uniqueness, a belief which is not compatible with any Trinitarian belief.