If you, like me, think that the Senate majority leader might want to read something written by Judge Sonia Sotomayor before he votes to confirm her to the Supreme Court, which opinion should he read? We know he'd prefer not to read any, as he said so. Yet given that Reid does not believe in reflexive deference to Presidential nominations -- as demonstrated by his opposition to some prior nominees -- and he's opined on the quality of other justices' opinions, I don't think it's unreasonable to expect him to Reid to read at least one Sotomayor opinion. As Reid may be intimidated by the sheer volume of Judge Sotomayor's output -- it may even exceed the size of the stimulus bill -- he may need help. Thus, my question: If Reid is to read only one Sotomayor opinion, which one should it be and why?
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(And GD: way to demonstrate that you never read the Ricci opinion yourself. Good job.)
Fixed.
Some of you people need to recalibrate your sarcasm detectors.
Wow.
Were you aware that she did not write an opinion in the firefighter case? The panel issued a per curiam, meaning that it was a ruling from the panel as a whole, not an opinion from any of the judges writing for him- or herself.
Anyway, the whole ruling is here. It's a real barn-burner:
Seriously: is this the best use of a senator's time, and if all senators read every supreme court nominee's opinions, would it improve the quality of their decision-making? Or would it have the opposite effect?
Writing for the panel, the supposedly racist Judge Sotomayor upheld the dismissal of the black female plaintiff's race discrimination claim on the ground that the plaintiff lacked evidence to support it. (What a radical.) The panel also unanimously held that the trial court improperly instructed the jury on the plaintiff's ADA claim and thus ordered a retrial of that claim, which the plaintiff ultimately won.
I find these two posts of yours about Reid, especially their sarcastic titles, to be immature. You can do better than that, I would hope. Do you have anything intelligent to say or is the extent of your intellect making up lame titles?
I think a couple of things are obvious.
While Supreme Court justices are very important, their confirmation isn't the most important business before the Senate. The Senate should not come to an absolute standstill while all 100 senators devote themselves to doing nothing more than reading every last word that Sotomayor has written in her life.
You wish that members of the legislature would read every last word in the legislation they voted on. That does not strike me as sensible. But, according to you I guess it is okay to avoid reading legislation that you vote against. That makes a lot of sense! It is okay to be "uninformed" voting against legislation, but not for it? That makes no sense. You are not advocating that Senators and Representatives make uninformed votes, are you?
It is not necessary for members of the legislator to read every line of every piece of legislation to be "informed" about what that legislation does.
See, there is this really cool thing that some of us at least of have been very cognizant of since Adam Smith wrote The Wealth of Nations. That thing is called division of labor. I know, crazy idea, isn't it!
Yeah, the Senate the House make use of this idea. I know, it sounds crazy, but Senators and Representatives make use of these things called "committees." So, how it works is that Senators and Representatives specialize and focus more on the implementation details of legislation and other votes.
Now, you may think that the division of labor is a crazy idea. I mean, it doesn't make sense to rely on others for things that are important, does it? I mean, I am sure that you built the computer you use to make lame titles for even more lame blog posts yourself, right? I am sure you also grow your own food, and cook everything from scratch, right?
What? That isn't practical for your own life? Well, it isn't practical for the United States Senate either. If Reid were to read one or two opinions of Sotomayor, the benefit would be close to nil. If he were to read a whole lot, the benefit may not be nil, but he would have to neglect work on his own on the committees he is actually assigned to, which do not include the Judiciary Committee.
So, here is what Reid should do. If Leahy, Feingold, Feinstein, Schumer, Durbin and their entire staff all agree that they are going to confirm Sotomayor and Reid knows he is ideologically aligned with them, he can rely on them to perform the detailed examination of her record. Only if there is a split amongst them or Reid felt his philosophy diverged from theirs would it start to make sense for Reid to divert time from other extremely important business to reading Sotomayor decisions.
Oh, and your views are wholly impractical. That your impractical views are framed in a sarcastic and immature way is icing on the cake.
In under two pages he will completely be able to understand her philosophy towards property right. Nevermind that it was the opinion of a 3 judge panel and nevermind that it was actually an opinion addressing the statute of limitations.
Oh, and the opinion should put to rest all of the blather about empathy since she displayed none at all towards the aggrieved property owner.
I don't see why they bother with the hearings... (Face time on TV, obviously.) Worlds Greatest Deliberative Body, what a crock.
But assuming arguendo that Reid could understand what he was reading, I'd make a strong pitch for an off-the-radar case called Tasini v. N.Y. Times, 972 F. Supp. 804 (1997), which Sotomayor decided while a district judge, involving the copyright privileges of freelance authors vis-a-vis their publishers. In my view, Judge Sotomayor reached an arguably right policy result by misapplying the statutes. The case is particularly illuminating because:
1. She decided alone. Even on signed panel opinions, judges routinely make concessions to their colleagues to "buy" their unanimity. And they rely on their colleagues to correct their errors. District judges are out on their own.
2. It was a case of first impression.
3. It involves an area of law -- intellectual property -- that was presumptively an area of her expertise. Of course, I'm aware that her private-law experience was in trademark, not copyright, and that there's a big difference. But the gap isn't huge; we aren't talking about a tax case, where she'd be assumed more likely to make an error. (See, e.g., Rudkin v. Commissioner, 467 F. 3d 149 (2006), when she converted a "would" to a "could," an approach the Supremes unanimously found to "fl[y] in the face of the statutory language," 552 U.S. ___ (2008)).
4. There are good higher-court opinions on the same case to consult, namely Chief Judge Winter's opinion reversing her on the 2d Circuit, 206 F.3d 161 (1999) (disclaimer: I was a clerk in Judge Winter's chambers when this opinion was written); Justice Ginsburg's opinion for a 7-justice majority affirming that reversal, 533 U.S. 483 (2001); and Justice Stevens's dissent, joined by Justice Breyer. The very fact that 2 justices agreed with Judge Sotomayor -- for the reason that "the principal goals of copyright policy are better served by" her approach shows (a) that she's not a wildly-out-of-the-mainstream jurist (and she's not); but (b) that she has a particular approach to statutory construction that is a minority view on the current Court and that Senators should discuss and contemplate.
Should probably post that one, too, so people can see that there really was no such thing. The entire unpublished unsigned ruling of the three-judge panel, including two GWBush appointees, follows. The Takings Clause "ruling" is in bold (and my apologies for OCR errors):
Your recent comment assumes that you are smart enough to make heads or tails of any opinion. It also assumes you are smart enough to evaluate the intelligence of others. It also assumes that the Nevada Bar admits attorneys who cannot understand even the simplest judicial opinion. I am skeptical of all three of these assumptions.
Anyway, I just wanted to compliment you on choosing to bring rude skepticism about the intelligence of other people to the discussion. I want you to know that I found that approach to be very persuasive! You must be so smart! Yes you are! You are the smartest! Go you! *pats you on the head* Fetch!
In other words, “Don’t confuse me with the facts, I have my mind made up.”
No, in other words, if Leahy, Feingold, Feinstein, Schumer, Durbin, Specter et al. and their staffs all come to a positive view of this nomination without dissent amongst their ranks, I will defer to their judgment because they have similar judicial philosophies. Time is a scarce resources, and the United States Senate has other extremely important business to attend to other than the very important business of confirming Sotomayor.
The principle is to not waste scarce resources unnecessarily. Maybe some people think that waste is a virtue. From that view, I dissent.
The whole idea is called division of labor. Adam Smith and all that jazz.
Of course, I guess you think that anyone who drives a car without knowing how to rebuild an engine must be a crazy ignoramus.
You probably know that the Senate is organized along commitee lines. You probably know that the Senate refers judicial nominations to the Judicial Committee for its recommendations. You probably know that the Judicial Committee recommends that nominations eitherbe confirmed or rejected and that majority and minority reports are commonly issued. You probably also know that Senator Reid is not a member of the Judicial Committee and customarily votes in accordance with the majority or minority reports of that committee. You probably know that senators who do not belong to particular committees are not expected to, and customarily do not, replicate the work of the committee members, which will include reading opinions if the opinions become critical to their recommendation. But not if they do not.
Of if it was drafted by a staff attorney or clerk. After that question is answered, then maybe it will be time for senators to rush to read the opinion and either condemn her for it or dismiss it as shedding no light on her qualifications to sit on the Supreme Court. Not before.
Huh. Are "sarcasm" tags required now? In Web 1.0 the compiler would infer sarcasm based on the context. :-).
Plus, it’s a very short read.
You are familiar with Pappas v. Giuliani, right?
Critics of Judge Sotomayor really should try to get their facts straight. Yes, there WAS an opinion. No, it was not HER opinion. It was a PER CURIAM opinion. If this distinction is too subtle for you, then I suggest that you step back, take a deep breath, and withhold comment for a while, as you are confusing the issue, not adding to anybody's understanding of it.
That reminds me--Meinong needs to be part of Leiter's philosophers-influencing-law poll, as well as Frege.
My understanding is that there was, in fact, no opinion for a while, just a summary order, untill there was a request for a re-hearing en banc. Is that not correct?
Thanks for your Civics 101 lesson. I now see that you are right. We shouldn’t expect each Senate to actually be well informed on the subject he is voting on. Once the committee votes out a bill, it should be automatically passed. I guess that is the reason why the Senate passed the stimulus package without reading it.
Nobody is expecting Reid, or any of the Senators for that matter, to read all of her decisions. However, I would hope that they would at least read some of the more controversial ones. Otherwise, they are not fulfilling their role of advice and consent.
It's funny that you ridicule Professor Adler for immaturity and then fall into a black hole of immaturity yourself. Please grow up.
Please, people. Wake up.
Your right. I shouldn't make fun of someone who is so insecure that they need to attack the intelligence of someone else before proceeding with their point.
Maybe you should take your Civics 101 lesson over again. Committees make recommendations, and when there is disagreement in the committee they issue minority and majority reports. When a judicial nomination is considered, they may recommend approval or disapproval. If they recommend approval, then it goes to the full Senate, with senators free to accept or reject the recommendation. If they recommend rejection, the nomination dies in committee and is not submitted to the full Senate for vote. What is it about this process that tells you the recommendation "should be automatically passed"? And what makes you think that, when a senator reads the committee reports and bases his or her vote on the committee recommendation, the senators is not "well informed"? That is the process that has been put in place for the very purpose of informing the senators about what they are voting on. If each senator tried to do the work of all the senate committees, they would be overwhelmed and unable to do anything at all. Again, I urge Sotomayor critics to get their facts straight. It would help to lend some credibility to their opinions.
"You ARE right."
Actually you are wrong when you wrote:With respect to Supreme Court nominees, even if the majority of the Judiciary Committee votes against a nominee, the nominee's name is still sent to the Senate for a confirmation vote.
For example, the Senate Judiciary Committee voted 9-5 to recommend that the Senate reject Robert Bork's nomination, which it ultimately did by a vote of 58-42.
In other words, pluribus, the Senators will actually have to read multiple reports to do their job. And guess what they are going to find in those reports, numerous passages from her decisions. I guess then poor Senator Reid will have to at least read parts of her decisions after all.
If each senator tried to do the work of all the senate committees, they would be overwhelmed and unable to do anything at all.
Some of us look upon that as feature, not a bug!
If you were less interested in pretending to some superiority you don't possess, you'd understand that the situations aren't parallel. If a bill is voted down, no part of it becomes law, so the details of each of its provisions remain irrelevant. But if a bill is approved, every part becomes law. Courts will look at it later and try to give effect to each individual word, on the fiction that those words were carefully chosen and intended to each have effect and not be superfluous. If the people who approved them didn't read them and don't know what they say, then that fiction just becomes a joke.
It is, yes, in that you don't understand it in the least. It isn't applicable here. We do not divide the labor of voting among "committees." The committees do preliminary work, but the whole Senate votes on confirmation. Reid is expected to do so, not to say that he has delegated the vote to someone else. And if he isn't delegating his vote, he can't legitimately delegate his thinking. That's not "division of labor." I don't build my computer again after Apple builds it.
Well, I'm sorry if you were offended by my snarky remark regarding Reid; but perhaps you shouldn't attack others' intelligence while writing, "Your right."
Reid publicly accused Justice Thomas of authoring "poorly written" opinions, and when pressed for an example cited a Supreme Court decision in which Thomas had not written separately. So I don't think Reid's ability to make much out of judicial opinions is entitled to much deference, myself.
If the people who approved them didn't read them and don't know what they say, then that fiction just becomes a joke.
Uh, that's why it's a fiction. They don't.
As to whether it's a joke? Funny is in the mind of the beholder.
But I think the criticism of Reid overlooks an even more important issue: surely a President who nominates should have read all the opinions. No doubt Bush did just that with Alito and Roberts. And no doubt a President should read, word for word, every single bill which comes across his desk.
Your right. Because the best measure of intelligence is of course whether someone makes a grammatical error in a very quickly written blog comment! And then, when they intentional repeat the error, well, that makes it even worse. The horror! The horror!
I should point out, because you appear to be confused, that I wasn't attacking your intelligence. I was attacking your lack of civility and your attacks on the intelligence of another person. Whether you have any issues with Senator Reid, I am sure that as a lawyer and a member of the State Bar of Nevada, he can read judicial opinions.
I for one do not condone the attacks that have been directed at Clarence Thomas's intelligence, whether by Senator Reid or anyone else. (I reserve judgment on the attacks that have gone to his ethics, simply because I am not familiar with the facts.) But, instead of impugning Senator Reid's intelligence in retribution (which is not an intelligent move, but rather an emotional one) perhaps your statements would be better directed at making the substantive statement you would like to make.
4:12:
Perhaps you might defend this apparent contradiction by saying you were simply being sarcastic in your original post. And yet, you seem to take such umbrage in the practice, when employed by others...
Your impractical theories about how legislatures should work flies in the face of the practical ways that legislatures really do work.
Back in Adam Smith's day, of course, there were artisans who insisted that all the steps of creating a product should be in the hands of one skilled artisan. But of course, while it is certainly possible to not have a division of labor, it is definitely impractical if you must accomplish more than making a few items.
In an ideal world, where time was an infinite resource, then of course every Senator should spend an infinite amount of time considering every last implication of every single comma and period in every single piece of legislation they vote on. In this world, they should consider the implications for not only humans, animals, but also for inanimate objects. In the real world, that is impractical. It is not merely a luxury to delegate work to other Senators and to staff members, it is a practical necessity.
To vote, one does not need to have considered the implications of every comma or period. One needs to know what the legislation does (with some level of faith that one is being correctly informed - based on the fact that multiple eyes have in fact reviewed every period and comma) and then vote on that.
Would it be NICE if time were unlimited? Absolutely. But there are only 24 hours in each day. As such, a Senator should spend his time on those activities which are most beneficial to his constituents and for the United States as a whole. In the case of Senator Reid, that probably does not translate into reading too many Sotomayor opinions absent a real controversy amongst the Democratic Senators on the Judiciary Committee about the wisdom of her confirmation.
I was being sarcastic. Obviously. I was mirroring what you were saying. I, however, wasn't aware that you were being sarcastic. But, if you were, may I ask about what? In suggesting that Senator Reid was not smart enough to read a judicial opinion? In that case, in my opinion your sarcasm was poorly executed because it was far from evident that you were not serious and thus it came off as a hackish partisan attack. (Something that is not unknown to occur on this blog.)
Anyway, I will say this. While I do not object to sarcasm, like all good things, it can be taken too far and it also can be poorly executed. So, in all seriousness, I will say that you did error in your initial remarks about Senator Reid. Although, in an understandable way. Keep in mind that a lot is lost in the medium of context of comments to blog posts (or email) that would be perfectly clear if you were to say the very same thing in person.
While Harry Reid is well beyond dumb enough to brag about it, that hardly makes the substantive point better. On either side.
Which is precisely why we should look at claims by libertarians with MUCH skepticism claims that the legislatures should proceed in a highly inefficient manner without a division of labor.
From a libertarian perspective, it is all good:
Right. Look, I am sure if you wanted to minimize the number of widgets that are manufactured, one way to do that would be to insist that only "authentic" widgets which are produced without utilizing any division of labor should be produced.
Basically, I think libertarian claims that a division of labor should not be utilized in the production of legislation should be met with the same skepticism that libertarians would probably give to proposals by a trade association that the way widgets are manufactured MUST be regulated to eliminate division of labor, in order to increase the "authentic" quality of such widgets. The claim is just a little too self-serving. =)
Why would you buy into David Nieporent's claim that Senator Reid was "bragging" about this?
I personally appreciate Senator Reid's honesty. It is better that people understand how legislatures really work rather than have illusions. Ultimately, such illusions can be fatal to legislative proposals. People are just *shocked* when legislation or regulations turn out to be thousands of pages, because they don't understand the process by which it is produced. It is better that they not be shocked -- it actually makes it easier to get things done -- because it is harder for interest groups to exploit that ignorance into thinking that something is especially unusual. I remember a lot of opposition to the Clinton health care proposals highlighted how many pages the proposals took. But, that is just the nature of these sorts of proposals.
Might I point out that if legislatures did spend all their time reading every opinion, or every bill that came before them, we all might live in a better world. After all, seems to me that they just screw things up when they get their hands on them (of course, with noted exceptions). While we do need some laws passed, an informed legislature that does read everything means less gets done which probably means we all win.
Yes, and I agree that to say that such and such is the nature of a thing does not constitute a substantive defense. That wasn't my point. =)
The bar is lowered further still as the illiteracy comments come out, both as to Reid and Sotomayor. How low will it go before the hearings start?
That point of view totally makes sense from a libertarian perspective. Which is precisely why proposals from libertarians that a division of labor not be used by legislatures should be treated with special skepticism. From a libertarian perspective, it is a win-win:
Judges have no problem pretending that these ten-thousand page enactments provide fair notice to people, and holding defendants to complete knowledge of those enactments.
I find that particular practice almost as dishonest as your conflation of Judge Sotomayor's entire body of work with the average length of one of her opinions.
It's not unreasonable for Reid to sample a few of her opinions, even if he delegates the majority of the work to committee and staff: Supreme Court Justice is an important job. The republic proposes to hire the woman to write.
I'm almost tempted to believe that Senator Reid made a deliberatively provocative statement in order to... zOMG... troll teh intertubes!
But that really is a stretch. Absent further explanation, if Senator Reid was my senator, he'd lose my vote over this. It just doesn't look he's doing his job.
I find the "not gonna bother cuz we're too busy" argument specious. It should not matter whether you construe the Advise and Consent role narrowly, or broadly, but there is a duty there and to blatantly abrogate that duty as Majority Leader is shameful and, frankly, embarrassing.
”Oh, and your views are wholly impractical. That your impractical views are framed in a sarcastic and immature way is icing on the cake.”
“Your recent comment assumes that you are smart enough to make heads or tails of any opinion. It also assumes you are smart enough to evaluate the intelligence of others. It also assumes that the Nevada Bar admits attorneys who cannot understand even the simplest judicial opinion. I am skeptical of all three of these assumptions.
Anyway, I just wanted to compliment you on choosing to bring rude skepticism about the intelligence of other people to the discussion. I want you to know that I found that approach to be very persuasive! You must be so smart! Yes you are! You are the smartest! Go you! *pats you on the head* Fetch!”
“I should point out, because you appear to be confused, that I wasn't attacking your intelligence. I was attacking your lack of civility and your attacks on the intelligence of another person.”
David Welker: Step. Away. From. The. Computer.
Two reasons:
1. I'm not a fan of Reid's and I couldn't resist the snark, even when directed at one of my "own".
2. DMN and I go way back on the internet and I was joking with him.
In any case, I don't think the substantive criticism of Reid -- that he should read the opinions -- has much merit for the reasons I gave (somewhat satirically) in my original post.
I am still waiting for the point to be articulated. As if.
I think is perfectly reasonable for him to read some of her opinions. But, of course, the issue is how "representative" these really would be. I am sure they would be representative in some respect, and not in others.
Would this exercise in opinion reading likely change Reid's vote if Durbin, Schumer, Feingold, Leahy, Feinstein, Spector, and all the rest were going to vote for her knowing far more? I think that is unlikely. But, I would have to concede it would not be a totally useless exercise. Would it be more useful than just reading the reports from the committee? I am not so sure about that, especially if he also follows and considers the arguments of the minority side of the aisle?
I am not so sure about that. While I think it is perfectly reasonable to read some sample of opinions, I think it is equally reasonable not to.
Allow me to congratulate you on not conflating Phil Spector and Arlen Specter as, oh, 80% of commenters on all the blogs I read seem to have done this last week. I mean, all white men don't really look alike. And one of these really is a lot creepier than the other. Lest there be any misunderstanding, I mean the one who came by the "o" legitimately, not through typo-land.
But of course, all of the Senators must delegate work to others. And in fact, any key decision-maker working for a significant organization is going to have to do some delegation.
You, in fact, have already conceded that. You agree that it is okay for Reid to use his staff to help him choose some of Sotomayor's judicial opinions, which the staff will certify are "representative." Okay, so all this filtering is being delegated under your model. And it also relies on trust. Reid must trust his staff to select opinions that are representative.
But if that is okay, why isn't it okay for Reid to rely on his staff to summarize Sotomayor's opinions? Of course it would be. In many ways, written summaries might be even more informative than reading original opinions. Of course, there is a trust issue here. But, that is also true in the case of having his staff select "representative" opinions.
And if it is okay for Reid to rely on his own staff, it is also okay for him to rely on the staff of like-minded Senators. There is no reason why he couldn't. If he trusts another Senator, including that Senator's judgment in selecting staff members, he should be able to rely on them as well. For accurate information. Also, since their are multiple eyes here, it is unlikely that anyone would be in a position to feed him bad information.
In fact, this is no different than the position that the President of the United States is in. He has to rely on others to filter information for him. He is not really in a position to do that all himself. Here, there are also trust issues. But, they are not something that cannot be overcome.
Finally, it should be noted that just because Reid is delegating work on this particular issue to others, that does not imply that he is not doing his own share overall. Also, it does not mean that he does not exercise his independent judgment based on the information that others initially uncover through their research.
Pshaw. I spelled it with an e the first time!
That said, I have messed up the name enough in the past.
Transitive trust relationships are notoriously tricky. It's a well-known set of problems in the security field.
Aside from that, if he does have trusted staff, then he should take political responsibilty for their work. “Political responsibility” may be even more slippery than “transitive trust”, but all the same, somewhere there's got to be an attitude of “the buck stops here.”
Senator Reid should be able to assure the people of Nevada that his team is looking very closely at the writing of a woman considered for an important writing job.
He shouldn't be trying to cover his ass in case the nomination blows up over a controversial opinion that he never read.
Dude, you shouldn't have passed up that Dale Carnegie course. Making pronouncements on someone's intellect is not a reliable way to win friends and influence people.
Just so you know, my reaction was to say, "Well, there's a web site I'm never visiting." After reading a couple more of your comments, I came 'round 180 degrees, thinking, "I've got to see if this guy is for real." And so I became like the 230th person to see you sitting there imperious astride your pachyderm, resplendent in your Banana Republic safari duds. (Could you have found a graphic more befitting your tone? I don't think so.)
Just to keep this on topic, allow me to reply that much as we all agree that Reid, Durbin, Schumer, et al are terribly busy with the Business of the Nation and much as we are all familiar with the kabuki wherein they attempt to destroy the other side's nominees while high-tonedly defending those of their side against the same caliber of accusation, it is nice to think that our senators will bestir themselves to at least put on a show of promoting and preserving the quality of "the Highest Court in the Land."
One of my early lessons in how the semiconductor industry works came from a maintenance tech, who brought me the documentation for maintenance of the multimillion dollar production toolset for which I was newly responsible. He asked me how he should clean inside the tool during maintenance, with one solvent or another.
I did not know offhand, being so new, and he then told me that it was not documented in the procedures, but that for the last 15 years he had used acetone followed by isopropyl alcohol followed by distilled water, because he had been taught to do so by his predecessor.
Then he asked me to document that in the procedures.
After a bit of research, I found that using just distilled water produced a significant yield improvement versus the old method.
Then he told me that the one with the wrench ran the tool.
When Senators don't read at least some of their legislation nor at least sample the work product of judicial nominees, they are delegating their jobs to their unelected staff and clerks, and whatever influences those individuals are under.
If I wanted a 25 year old staffer deciding on the confirmation of Supreme Court nominees, Reid would be a great Senator for me.
"I've been Arlen Specter'd
Resurrected..."
Nah, doesn't scan.
"The Senate should not come to an absolute standstill while all 100 senators devote themselves to doing nothing more than reading every last word that Sotomayor has written in her life."
To be immature. Please refrain from putting words in people's mouths if you are going to be commenting on their maturity.
That last "paragraph" was some magnificent use of language.
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