if and when China decides to stop exporting the "glut of global savings"?
The Walmart Effect was the claim (accepted pretty broadly as having a decent empirical basis, even given the disputes) that Walmart, by lowering prices at the downmarket end of things, added significantly to American spending power and standard of living. And particularly to consumers at the lower end of the economic scale. The Walmart Effect was partly Walmart stores themselves, but also the knock-on effects on the competition. Even if one accepted the effect, the size of its contribution to American consumption power was argued. And the extent to which it offset the losses to workers and wages was also hotly debated.
Charles Fishman set out the basic claims in his The Walmart Effect. But in many ways the thesis took on a whole different life when it was partly endorsed by Democratic economist Jason Furman, in a well-known essay. As described by the Washington Post website whorunsgov.com:
[H]e also praised Wal-Mart in a report that liberals still fiercely decry. Furman defended the discount super-store, calling it a “progressive success story” by disputing the notion that its business model hurt the wages of retail workers in the industry.
In a report, Furman basically estimated that Wal-Mart’s price reductions saved Americans nearly $263 billion, while disputing the argument that Wal-Mart hurts retail workers’ wages. Furman estimated that wage losses for retail workers had decreased by a maximum of about $5 billion a year. He concluded that society is better off as a result of Wal-Mart’s business model and said that observers should focus on attacking problems in the larger retail sector as opposed to the mega-store’s wages.
Furman downplays the angry outcry in response to his paper. “There's a zero-sum mentality among some segments of the left," he said. “If someone is doing well, then someone else must be doing poorly."
That's a quick sketch of pretty well known policy history; there's much argument even today over true, untrue, extent, etc. That's not what interests me today. Rather, even taking into account the many impressive features of how Walmart runs its business to maximize efficiency and lower prices, it still seems pretty clear, especially in retrospect, that to a considerable extent, Walmart for years has consisted of simply being the retailer of goods whose purchase and consumption by Americans the Chinese government has decided to subsidize - or, much more precisely, as we can see today, finance on credit - and in effect serve as a conveyor belt for Chinese goods but also Chinese savings.
This keys back to the "global glut of savings" hypothesis put out by Alan Greenspan as an explanation for why the Fed under his stewardship would not have been able to prevent the asset bubble of the last few years. However, it is laid out perhaps most persuasively as a general argument by the renowned financial commentator at the Financial Times, Martin Wolf, in a John Hopkins Press book under a series edited by Francis Fukuyama, Fixing Global Finance. The book was published in 2008, but is based upon lectures in 2006 or so, so much of the analysis precedes the immediate crisis; nonetheless, it is exceptionally clear on the arguments over the global savings glut. (Without, so far as I can tell on a first read, however, embracing Greenspan's strongest contention that the Fed could not stop the tsunami of excess savings from flooding American shores, but that's another discussion.)
Assume that something like the global savings glut hypothesis is true, and that it is in large part a glut of savings from China flowing into the US economy especially. Wolf, Greenspan, Peter Mandelson (whose op-ed on this topic I discuss in excruciating detail here), and many others have called for a readjustment to this savings glut. It principally requires an increase in Chinese domestic consumption to absorb its savings rather than shipping the savings abroad.
The macroeconomic argument, I take it, is excellent. What I want to point out, however, is that if and when put into place, one of the casualties might be a large part of the Walmart Effect. As noted, when it was under discussion, back in the bubble period, it was said by Furman to amount to some $263 billion (offsetting some $5 billion in wage effects). This meant several thousands of dollars per US family and, assuming that it was mostly received by lower income households, even bigger consumption gains for the poor. To the extent - which I would suggest although not on any actual evidence, alas - that the Walmart Effect could be renamed the China Credit Facility, then a move to rebalance global savings flows might well hit poorer American families. How much? Well, certainly a large part of it has evaporated as the financing from China has, if not precisely evaporated, shifted from financing private consumption to a much larger portion devoted to financing US government public consumption. So some part is gone or already evaporating at that stage.
But we have yet to see a full policy of rebalancing, and without any basis for putting in numbers, let me suggest that it might be a considerable part of what is left of the original Walmart Effect. Or am I wrong about the basis of the effect - wrong, that is, in asserting that the Walmart Effect is largely a China Credit Facility effect?
Wal-Mart is like an agent working on behalf of the consumer. They use their leverage to bargain strongly with suppliers on behalf of consumers, who otherwise would be getting bad deals with hight markeups and fat profits of manufactures and retail stores. They also do not waste money, they are frugal. Walmart is about running a lean efficint machine and expecting suppliers to do the same.
I think China has little to do with it. If Wal-Mart did not exist your DVD player would still be made in China. The Wallmart effect is more about a history of inefficent businesses overcharing customers and being forced by competition (Wal-Mart) to become more efficint.
By the way, as a WCL alum, I have increasingly come to lament the fact that I never took one of your courses.
The subsidization comes in when China "recycles" their dollars and purchases treasury bonds. Thereby keeping interest rates "artificially" low.
I believe that Greenspan could've popped the bubble. Even if the yield curve was massively inverted. That would've crimped the banks borrowing appetite. But, maybe that would've just drove them even more to the yen.
The other half is that decreased saving by China could mean higher yields on U.S. long-term debt and a depreciated U.S. dollar, unless another country picks up the slack by saving more or shifting its forex portfolio towards the U.S. The depreciation of the dollar would make imported goods in general more expensive while higher borrowing costs would make a tax increase or spending cut more imperative.
So it's not clear what happens to prices at Walmart: that depends on how powerful the economies of scale effect in China is, how much the dollar falls against the yuan and at what price American manufacturers could start to compete against the Chinese manufacturers. But the broader story is a reduction in non-U.S. savings must be attended by an increase in U.S. savings which means less consumption.
So, maybe Uncle Ben is really trying to end the "savings glut".......but, its not working here very well. And, probably won't for a long time.
Furthermore, their insistence on low prices has driven many jobs offshore. Case in point: Etch a sketch has been made in the same small Ohio town that it was invented in the 1950s. Walmart, being the largest single distributor of the toy by far, told the company that they would not sell it in their store for more than $19.99 a unit. That means they would buy it at about half that price, probably around $9 per unit. The company responded that they couldn't afford to manufacture it at that price and still make a profit.
So they were face with a decision: Drop Walmart as a distributor and sell it at a higher price, but face a drastic decline in sales, sell it at a loss and eventually go bankrupt, or move the jobs to China where labor is much cheaper.
Guess what they did? What any sane rational businessman would do -- they moved the jobs to China. The company remains HQ'd in Ohio, but now the unemployment rate is high in that town, as they laid off most of the workers.
Is this all good? I don't know the full effects, an no economist that I know of has the honesty and competency to review the total effects Walmart has had on the economy, including the lost jobs, the lower wages, and the lost equity.
What I do tell people is that if you are concerned about losing jobs to China, then don't shop at Walmart, because then you are demanding those jobs go to the cheapest places. I also explain that one of the reasons inflation and interest rates are so low, and you have benefited from them, is because you have demanded the lowest prices possible from places like Walmart. People always seemed shocked to hear that as consumers, they have the power to do that. And they really don't like it.
I think I may have to delve into the sources you cite in the article.
As for Walmart destroying equity, Randy R.: yeah and I guess the auto manufacturers came in and destroyed the buggy whip manufacturers' equity. So what? That is precisely the creative destruction, repeated in a myriad ways, that increases living standards. The fact is, Walmart does not "put anybody out of business." They make consumers a better offer. You may as well blame the shopping ingrates who abandon their local stores to get lower prices--it would make as much sense.
About as liberal as the Cosa Nostra. Sorry, "Let them eat Wagner Act" ain't cutting it. See also the non-trivial liberal and progressive effects in China itself. Wal-Mart is the ur-case of the alienation of the contemporary illiberal Left from "the People" about which they claim to care so deeply.
Ask them.
If labor for producing it in China was indeed that much cheaper, then they would have produced it in China with or without the Wal-Mart.
One problem I see with your claim is that in areas I've lived in people were willing to drive significant distances to go to a WalMart, an hour and a half each way or greater. Obviously those consumers feel WalMart delivers something of greater value than small stores. One store that continued to do very well even after WalMart entered the market I lived in was a particular auto parts store on the simple basis that you /knew/ that they carried everything. In a farm community with random equipment failure that was a big deal.
I doubt regular hardware stores of the ACE or TrueValue would survive Home Depot or Lowe's anymore than they do WalMart, being guaranteed that what you want is available is a huge draw and the smaller stores often can't deliver on that.
I am a small business owner and don't feel I have any 'right' to my business equity even though as a package liquor store I am entrenched competitively.
I once bought a futon and several other pieces of new furniture, including a lamp, from a Mom 'n Pop furniture store on University Avenue in Berkeley. The lamp was about $50 of a $500 total purchase.
The lamp wouldn't fit where I wanted to put it, but of course when I tried to return it, the wonderful Mom 'N Pop store refused to take returns.
Six months later, IKEA opened its first store in the Bay Area. In addition to an exponentially wider choice of (better) furniture, IKEA has a 90-day "change your mind?" return policy.
I've never set foot in a Mom 'N Pop furniture store again. And judging from the popularity of the Emeryville IKEA, even the Berkeley set agrees with me.
1. Walmart offers a much wider selection.
2. The independents being small can't afford to carry a large inventory so customers frequently have order an item at wait for delivery. On the other hand, Walmart is more likely to stock it.
3. Walmart trains its employees to put high priorty on customer relations. As such they generally get much better treatment at the Walmart stores.
Well off urban liberals simply don't understand how limited rural retailing can be for the customer. As such they can't imagine why anyone wants to go to an evil Walmart store.
Pratt also discuses wages. He says Walmart employees are well aware of the market for their labor and are not exploited. Well off urban liberals think rural folks are stupid and need Obama to protect them from the evil Walmart. Pratt says that many Walmart employees have experience working for small independents, and they prefer to work for Walmart because:
1. Wages are higher.
2. More opportunity to advance.
3. More independence and less scrutiny on the job which translates into less stress. At the small store, the boss hounds you every day, while at Walmart you are pretty much left alone if you function ok. Walmart has a strict set of rules governing how managers must treat employees.
Well off urban liberals seem to hate Walmart. They think Walmart should provide the same benefits as a large law firm. They can't. Go to Yahoo and look at Walmart's income statement and divide their pre-tax revenues by the number of employees. It runs around $8,000-$10,000 per employee per year. If they provided an expensive set of benefits, they would wipe out more than half their profits. Moreover the small independents that Walmart puts out of business offer even less benefits to employees.
Your Berkeley example is a good one. On the whole I have found Berkeley merchants to be a general pain in the ass. There are some exceptions. Al Lasher's electronic store on University Avenue has always been a delight. Great stock and helpful clerks. Unfortunately many of the small Berkeley merchants are just plain nasty, and going to a big box place like Ikea is a relief. I can find what I want, and don't have to been insulted by the help.
A friend of mine once complained to a Berkeley store owner that her employee was treating him poorly. Her response: "she's doing the best she can." The owner made it clear that the employee had priority over the customer, and if he [the customer] didn't like it then he could just get out and never come back.
I'm no fan of Walmart, but I do shop there nonetheless from time to time. Sometimes small business owners, such as Etch a Sketch, really do consider the welfare of their long term employees, and actually care about the community in which they live. And so sometimes, they are happy to have a bit lower profits for the benefits of a living and working in a thriving economy. The company did what it had to do, and that's the reality. Another reality is that it threw out a lot of people out of work, and that raised unemployement roles, lowered tax collections and in many ways reducing the economic power of that region and Ohio to some degree. To deny this is to deny reality.
Is it good in the long run? Perhaps -- I can't see in the future. However, IF you want to complain about lost jobs, then don't shop at Walmart. If you think lost jobs are fine, then go ahead and shop at Walmart. It's your choice, and I don't really care what choice you make. What I DO care about is that consumers understand that there is a correlation between their purchases and how the economy functions. If you don't want jobs shipped overseas, then don't patronize the stores that ship jobs overseas. I really don't understand why people find this controversial, but apparently they do.
q:" Randy R., those are known as "pecuniary" externalities and there's a good reason they're ignored."
Your example of apples isn't equity -- they are two different things. If I own a store that sells apples, and I make a profit, over time that builds equity. I may want to sell the store, and the value of the store is the figured by the projected revenue and profits for the next several years. My store is might be worth $100,000. In addition, I was paying wages and taxes over the years.
Then comes in a competitor who sells apples cheaper than me. It puts me out of business. That equity of $100,000 is now wiped out. The new store now has the equity of perhaps $100,000, assuming it's net profits are the same as mine.
So -- to say that the economy has grown by $100,000 is misleading, since it doesn't calculate that it shrunk by $100,000. This is what Walmart has done. IT isn't a manufacturer or producer -- it's merely a reseller. They do it better, faster, cheaper, of course, but it's equity is in being able to resell goods, just as the mom and pop store do.
So yes, go ahead and calculate the value of Walmart. But also calculate the equity it wiped out. Perhaps that's a net gain to economy -- I don't know, but I suspect it is. In which case that's GOOD for the economy. But pretend that wiping out all the equity didn't really happen is disingenuous at best.
And the contemporary conservatives on the Right are alienated from the people who are laid off from businesses put out of business by Walmart, which they don't even pretend to care about. Which is why they lost Ohio.
Look, there are certain economic realities, and our country is going through a painful readjustment. I actually support outsourcing (I'm in technology transfers and go to China often to help tech companies outsource). Over all, I think it's good for the economy. But on the other hand, I don't pretend that lost jobs, wrecked careers, lost equity, and foreclosed homes don't exist, or that they aren't a result of this restructuring of the economy.
Personally, I hate Walmart because they have destroyed so many small towns, and we've lost that charm and character, and now we have a homogenization of America. Having grown up in such a town, I miss being able to walk from store to store, and I could go on an on, but I'll save you the blather. I believe we are losing something of value there, but that's my problem, and I realize you simply can't fight against powerful global trends. I have a right to bitch about that, and I certainly do.
But in the meantime, it's no comfort for anyone to lose a store that they built up over a lifetime and now you are unemployed. We owe it to their hard work to at least recognize it.
There is no reference to the employees of the small-business owners who lose their jobs because Wal-Mart exercises its monopsony power to decide that it will sell a product at a price that no manufacturer in the united States can meet.
What I don't see in your analysis is any consideration of the inefficiency and obsolescence of much of China's industry. Many of China's manufacturers receive subsidies from their government. In addition to much lower labor costs and benefits and keeping the exchange rate artificially low, the subsidies allow continued employment of workers who otherwise would form a significant urban underclass in China. To continue the subsidies and keep the exchange rate down requires a sustained flow of US dollars. Also, maintaining the employment of people with limited skills who work in inefficient or obsolete industries militates against modernizing and automating manufacturers which would make production more efficient, but employ fewer workers. China isn’t necessarily able to sell the goods to its own population, since that reduces the flow of US dollars, meaning that the problems of inefficient and obsolete industries must be dealt with, meaning laying off workers from those industries, which creates the potential for urban unrest. Accordingly, the decision on whether to do that looks to be more of a political one than an economic one. Those in power want to remain in power. They are not businessmen who seek to maximize profits, but rather, are government functionaries who seek to maintain and increase their power.
Wal-Mart, however, does not care whether the goods it sells are manufactured in China or elsewhere. It is a business that seeks to maximize its profits and expand its business. Wal-Mart seeks a reasonably high quality product at a discount price, as it relies more on volume than per item price to make its profits. When factors such as transportation costs result in the costs of Chinese supplies exceeding those of suppliers elsewhere, Wal-Mart will purchase from elsewhere. Similarly, if the quality of the goods from China falls below acceptable standards for Wal-Mart, it will seek suppliers elsewhere. Wal-Mart appears to have a freer hand than China.
There is also the "Amazon effect" others have noted above. Consumers don't have to go to Wal-Mart. Reasonably high quality goods can be purchased on-line. Although there are shipping costs, costs for employee salaries/benefits, store rental, utilities and similar costs are avoided, and as the internet allows quick comparison shopping, it is much more competitive and so keeps prices down more than even big box stores. Using the internet, a consumer can shop internationally and cut out all the middlemen while staying at home.
There are various feedback loops here – both negative and positive – that I don’t see considered in your analysis. Although indirect, these feedbacks have significant cumulative impacts. The Chinese government is not only using dollars from Wal-Mart to finance US consumers via purchasing US debt and fairly low interest rates (thereby keeping interest rates in the US for everyone, including consumers, low), it is also subsidizing its inefficient and obsolete industries to keep its own citizens employed. However, other nations wishing to build their economies can follow the same policies and so compete with China for the Wal-Mart effect. They can also exploit a direct sales market via the internet. So, in some ways, China appears to have become a hostage of the Wal-Mart effect that in important ways it manipulated the market to create. And, while Wal-Mart can move its business elsewhere and consumers can buy direct using the internet, it is not clear how much freedom China has to allow that business to go elsewhere since that reduces the cash flow of US dollars. Although China can rely on the interest and principle payments of the US debt it owns for a while, it is not clear how long or how much it can rely on that in lieu of continuing sales to the US of consumer products, or whether China can replace the flow of dollars by sales to other nations who also have hard currencies.
I have a question for you, which may be beyond the scope of this discussion: Assuming that everything you write is true, what would you do if you were China?
In any case, the increasing income levels in China increases the number of potential customers for the US corporations. Even Lenovo or Huawei must be using many products in its computers designed by American companies. The trade deficit suggests that we buy a lot more from China, but many companies do their best to underestimate their intangible production in the US. For example, intellectual property is very valuable and it should be treated as if we are exporting IP into China to get it assembled with some other physical parts, but I doubt its value gets reflected accurately, as this may force companies to pay more taxes in the US.
"Seems that my post gets criticisms for a) not linking to anything, even though no one else linked to anything,..."
What are you talking about? I linked to an interview with a journalist who worked at Walmart.
People complain about poor airline service, but when choosing flights price is the single driving factor for the vast majority of travelers. What point is there in competing on a metric that consumers don't value enough to actually pay for?
I can certainly believe that some small retailers can survive the entry of Wal-Mart into their market, but only by changing the way they do business to offer something that people will actually pay for. Obviously in many areas closeness is not such a factor. In some markets I suppose locally grown produce might qualify but in others not. But those mom and pop stores have to figure out what it is that they can offer if they want to thrive against a promise of lower prices on generally "good enough" products.
"And the contemporary conservatives on the Right are alienated from the people who are laid off from businesses put out of business by Walmart, which they don't even pretend to care about. Which is why they lost Ohio."
No, they lost Ohio because the D's put up superior candidates on every level, from the local, to the state, to the national. Ok, so Sherrod Brown won too - the exception proves the rule.
Such outstanding public servants are endangered by the reactionary Walmart hate of the yourself and you fellow stillstanders. It is just such narrowmindedness that prevents me, and not just me, I can assure you, from supporting the Party in general, and would lead me to support Kasich over Strickland. Our state will be fortunate to have two such outstanding candidates from which to choose.
"Personally, I hate Walmart because they have destroyed so many small towns, and we've lost that charm and character, and now we have a homogenization of America. Having grown up in such a town, I miss being able to walk from store to store, and I could go on an on, but I'll save you the blather. I believe we are losing something of value there, but that's my problem, and I realize you simply can't fight against powerful global trends. I have a right to bitch about that, and I certainly do."
Small towns were being destroyed long before WalMart came along. In fact, the small towns in which I've lived which have been close to a WalMart have unexpectedly thrived, as people had to pay less for necessities and were thus able to afford more specialized goods and services.
My apologies.
"Small towns were being destroyed long before WalMart came along."
Of course. But not all of them. And Walmart certainly accelerated things. But they are not the only ones to blame. The increasing suburbanization of American life is the root cause, and that's a whole 'nother topic. One thing that puzzles me, though: Conservatives are supposed to support small town values, 'the way things used to be' and all that. I just find it odd that so many people are rooting for all that to go away so quickly.
wfj: "There are various feedback loops here – both negative and positive – that I don’t see considered in your analysis."
Exactly. And although you are talking about China, the issue is the same in the US. There are plenty of nuances, and there are winners and losers, but often there are people who win AND lose. The question is, taking ALL factors into balance, are we as a society a winner because of Walmart or a loser? To judge that, we need to accurately calculate all the costs and benefits, and there are many, but I don't think anyone has done such a comprehensive analysis. Until such study is done, any conclusions on the Walmart effect on the US economy are speculative. And even if we are collectively winners, we must at least acknowledge that some people, and some parts of the country, maybe an individual town, is a loser.
"Conservatives are supposed to support small town values, 'the way things used to be' and all that."
You still do. You just call yourselves "Progressives" now.
IF we had the market economy that people say we do, then we would have options. I have often booked flights and always go for the lowest airfare, but I hate the service and the food. If I had a choice, I would be happy to pay an extra $20 or so and get a decent meal and polite flight attendants.
But such a choice does not exist. Surely, I should be able to get a good meal for $20 extra, and politeness doesn't cost a dime. Yet, if want really want those, I need to go with a foreign air carrier and pay hundreds of dollars more. There are no other options.
Example: I booked a trip on United to China. I hate the airline, but they have the best prices. Why do I hate it? Because the service people are very rude, the meals are bad, and there are no free drinks on an international flight. The flight cost me $998. All other flights went up from there, but most were on United. Once you got past a certain price point, other airlines came up, like Delta (even worse food!), then American, then Continental. But that all have similar problems. It wasn't until I was in the $1600 range that I saw foriegn carriers like Air Canada, or Cathay Pacific, and those all involved several layovers and longer flights.
Why can't United offer an upgraded service? For $50 more, I get two free drinks and a better meal. They would still come out ahead, and I and most people would pay for it. HEck, we are already paying extra for luggage on domestic flights.
The only airline I use due to destination and local service is Alaska, they offer a reasonable meal on most legs for $5.
I've seen pieces about transcontinental flights doing the same with more options. Perhaps international flights they did research and found that people who actually want better service are willing to pay that much for it.
I also don't find the baggage fees a problem, I haven't checked anything in years, instead being able to carry on enough stuff for my generally up to week long trips.
I would actually be glad that all airlines have gone to that fee, otherwise consumers would be stuck trying to decide between airlines that charged and didn't charge it and it would likely wash out in the end. Plenty of other sectors use complex pricing schemes in order to make comparison shopping difficult.
troll_dc2: To answer that I'd have to see better development of the facts and analysis the factors I mentioned (&likely other facts and factors I did not consider).
The decision making standards for China and Wal-Mart(or any other business importing goods from China) and consumers buying of the internet are very different. It's not hard to understand the approach that Chinese officials use: As government functionaries, they want to maintain their positions (or be promoted) and maintain or increase their power. To do so, they need to maintain peace within the nation. China has a recent history of unrest (the Cultural Revolution only being the most widely known example). China also has a large, and apparently growing, urban underclass. Many have come from rural areas, and probably cannot support themselves (or their families) if they return. One of the things that such unskilled or limited skilled workers do is send significant fractions of their wages back to their families who still live in rural areas. Subsidies to inefficient or obsolete industries appear to be being used to buy-off people who otherwise would be unemployed and could represent a serious threat to those in power.
So, it appears that decision makers are in a trap. It looks like they have to maintain the status quo to avoid unrest. But, the status quo is not stable. If lower prices or better quality is offered elsewhere, Wal-Mart (and other firms that buy goods from China) will go elsewhere. Increasingly, there is competition from direct sales to consumers via the internet. And, factors that supported creating subsidies in the first place, will favor increasing the number of firms receiving them and so increasing the number of people dependent on them and the total amounts paid in subsidies.
At some point it becomes a death spiral -- the Chinese government officials will neither be able to sustain the subsidies, nor cannot end them. That is a fundamental problem whenever what are fundamentally economic decisions are made by politicians.
So, I don't know what I would do if I was a decision-maker in China. My prediction is, however, that they will do what they have been doing. This is usually the safest option for any bureaucrat, and, since they tend to see the issues in political terms, rather than in profit-loss business or economic tersm, it is likely that their measures are geared towards measuring political outcomes. Those likely won't reflect economic problems until the economic problems have become severe. And, the typical response of a politician or bureaucrat to a severe problem of one's own making is either denial or blaming someone else, and not facing the problem and trying to solve it. Accordingly, I don't see any change until the problems become too severe to ignore or deny, and when seeking solutions is unavoidable, since blaming others will no longer divert attention.
This is not a happy thought -- since severe economic problems in a nation holding $750 Billion of US gov't debt likely spells trouble for the US. (And, I don't see any greater wisdom or willingness to on the part of US gov't officials to face or deal with economic problems than gov't officials of any other nation.)
The "Walmart effect" assumes a solution to something that wasn't necessarily as big a problem as suggested, and overstates the extent of the change. Low cost, high volume retailers go back to Woolworths and K-Mart and Sears. CostCo (a consumer co-op that pays its employees above market wages) and Sam's Club (a Wal-Mart affiliate which is union free and investor owned), with very different business models, both manage to provide low cost bulk buying clubs. The U.S. economy has long had a very efficient retail/wholesale trade sector.
In my view, the efficiency of our retail/wholesale sector probably had more to do with the demise of the Soviet Union and Warsaw Pact than the Reagan defense build up. The first thing East Germans did when the wall came down was go to the West German grocery stores and cry in awe. If they had had an American grocery store instead, they would have really flipped.
The ubiquity of "Made in China" also predates Walmart for many sectors of goods.
The trouble with a "global savings glut" hypothesis is that the debt binge extended far beyond the U.S. Household debt has increased dramatically in the past four decades in almost every developed country in the world, largely with indifference to issues like the size of national public debts and balances of trade in individual countries.
If an export driven economy has driven savings in China, why has it not driven savings in other countries with trade surpluses?
It wasn't Walmart that put those small stores out of business, it was their customers who decided that Walmart was a better place to spend their money. When somebody changes his shopping habits, even if he has to drive a distance to do it, you can be sure that his needs weren't being met.
I buy as much as possible on-line because I am tired of rude/moron salespeople.
I would go further and say especially then. Taking on inconvience to do something a different way is a definite sign that the previous order was unsatisfactory to the customer base.
When the dollar finally tanks, prices on everything will rise dramatically.
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