What's in Waxman-Markey?

So what ended up in the Waxman-Markey climate bill? Kevin Williamson and Stephen Spruiell look under the hood of this climate policy vehicle. The cap-and-trade legislation sparked a special-interest feeding frenzy — and this is precisely what we should have expected. As I've argued before, a cap-and-trade regime for greenhouse gases is more vulnerable to rent-seeking than a tax-based alternative. There's no way to prove that a carbon tax bill would have been less pork-laden than Waxman-Markey, but it could not have been any worse.

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Alexia:
Obviously if they want it to pass through the Senate, they'll need to add about $50 billion more.
7.5.2009 1:56pm
A. Zarkov (mail):
Issue 1082/1083 (July 9, 2009) of Rolling Stone magazine has an article by Matt Taibbi, "The Great American Bubble Machine." Tabbi traces the role of investment bank Goldman Sachs in 5 historical bubbles-- from the Great Depression to the oil price bubble last year. Bubble Number 6 is the bubble to come-- trading carbon credits, and Goldman is poised to get in on it big time.
As envisioned by Goldman, the fight to stop global warming will become a "carbon market" worth $1 trillion a year.
As Taibbi points out the carbon caps will get lowered in future years increasing the value of carbon credits trading in the secondary market. This of course will open up new vistas for for abuse in financial markets. According to Taibbi Goldman has been pushing for cap-and-trade a long time ago and now they are positioned to make a bundle off it. No wonder they have lobbied for Waxman-Markey. No wonder they funded Obama's presidential campaign. A straight tax on carbon emissions would be infinitely preferable to this new monstrosity that will milk the public out of more of its money and hurt if not destroy the American economy. Goldman doesn't care as they are globalists-- "citizens of the world" to borrow Einstein's phrase.

Unfortunately the article at the Rolling Stone's website is just an excerpt. You have to buy the issue or read a not completely legible version over at zero hedge.
7.5.2009 3:08pm
Toby:
Ironic that this post is alongside "Is America becoming less Entrepeneurial?". Carbon caps do more than any other regulatory approach to solidify current players in the market.

If the new technology were cheaper, businesses would be using them already. So we can assume for now, that industries using high carbon approaches are cheaper. Setting performance goals and costing externalities, as could a carbon tax, would overcome this costs advatage over new competitors. As it is, existing players are grandfathered into the market with their old cost advantage. New technologies must must go all the way to no carbon (the most expensive) and so are non-competive. Hybrid approaches face additional taxes on new competitors only.
7.5.2009 3:25pm
John Moore (www):
The Waxman-Markey bill goes way, way beyond the fundamental foolishness of cap and trade.

For example, it apparently has provisions that require homes for sale be brought up to federal energy efficiency standards (does this mean new jobs will be created for federal home inspectors)? It contains detailed restrictions on such major important items as candelabra.

It is an example of Liberals Gone Mad.

Elections have consequences. Rarely have they been as dramatic and disastrous as what we are seeing now.
7.5.2009 3:44pm
MartyA:
Is there a site that lists the Congresspersons who will accept campaign contributions or consulting fees paid to a relative and, in return, ensure a very generous payback? I'm not talking bribe or anything illegal; it's just that there must be a way for some one who isn't a family member, law partner or financial backer of a democrat Congressman to get in on this gravy train.
7.5.2009 5:15pm
Oren:

Obviously if they want it to pass through the Senate, they'll need to add about $50 billion more.


At least the House-Senate conference will make a big stink about cutting $10-20B and call it a breakthrough.
7.5.2009 5:19pm
A. Zarkov (mail):
Will the Waxman Markey bill have any measurable affect on atmospheric CO2 concentration? If so how much? It seems to me if we can't do this calculation in a reliable fashion, then we have no business passing the bill.

Let's say the bill passes and is implemented, and in 5 years atmospheric CO2 concentration continues to have climbed at the historical rate indicating it has no effect. What then? Will Congress repeal the bill?
7.5.2009 5:25pm
rosetta's stones:
Don't worry, this nonsense ain't going anywhere. That vote the other day smoked 'em out, if you notice. The coastal kooks will go for it, as ever, but the rest of the country will throw the bums out if they try, and you can now tell the bums know it, too. That's why the premature vote, to get this out of the way and end the distraction (for now, at least).

This is just perfect campaign fodder. That vote is gonna cost some poor congrescritters their jobs.

I'm glad they put Waxman in charge of that committee, because that assured doomsday for that bill. If they'd left Dingell in charge, the old coot woulda probably found a way to cobble together some type of coalition to get something passed, but no chance a Cali kook can ever do that.

Dingell woulda probably gone for Adler's pet statist project, the carbon tax. No dice on that one, now. I love it when a plan comes together.

It was in the 40's outside my house this week. We just gotta keep the pushback going for another 2-3 years now, until it snows in Memphis in June or something. That will end this AGW madness once and for all.
7.5.2009 5:53pm
californiamom:
As I understand it, homeowners would have to install new energy efficient appliances before the home could be sold. Was GE a major contributor to this. Sounds so wasteful to throw out thousands of dollars per home in perfectly good appliances, filling up landfills, causing more pollution in manufacturing unnecessary appliances, for what? Pennies in energy savings?
7.5.2009 7:43pm
PeteP (mail):
"What's in Waxman-Markey?"

Wouldn't it be wonderful if every Senator had to actually answer that question PRIOR to voting on it ? And all other bills ?

Of course, that would break our entire legislative process ....
7.5.2009 8:19pm
Constantin:
Was GE a major contributor to this.

Watch ten minutes of MSNBC, which is owned by GE, and the picture starts to become a bit more clear. There's a reason Barack is taking the time to cut promos for The Office.
7.5.2009 8:20pm
Richard A. (mail):
Is there a way to restrict this blog to people who don't use buzz words like "statist" and "congresscritter?"

Just asking.
7.5.2009 8:23pm
Doc Merlin:
Any and all regulatory increases will result in some rent seeking (I guess you could get decreased rent seeking if they replace a previous very bad regulatory structure with a better one). No way around it really, even the best regulatory bills trade externalities for rent seeking. The worst regulation just gives you the rent seeking without the reduction in externalities.
7.5.2009 8:24pm
geokstr (mail):

A. Zarkov:
Let's say the bill passes and is implemented, and in 5 years atmospheric CO2 concentration continues to have climbed at the historical rate indicating it has no effect. What then? Will Congress repeal the bill?

If the Democrats are still in charge, of course not. They'll do what they always do when one of their pet programs fails, double down, on the predictable claim that it's only because they didn't spend enough yet.

Even if the Republicans capture both houses, they'd never have a large enough majority to override Obama's veto (assuming he gets re-elected.)

By that time, government run by either party will be too addicted to the revenue stream to repeal it.

And the one-way rachet towards Collectivism motors on.
7.5.2009 9:19pm
Bruce Hayden (mail):
Any and all regulatory increases will result in some rent seeking (I guess you could get decreased rent seeking if they replace a previous very bad regulatory structure with a better one). No way around it really, even the best regulatory bills trade externalities for rent seeking. The worst regulation just gives you the rent seeking without the reduction in externalities.
Except that there are ways to minimize rent seeking, and then, as we have seen here, ways to maximize it.
7.5.2009 9:34pm
Bruce Hayden (mail):
By that time, government run by either party will be too addicted to the revenue stream to repeal it.
The problem is that there is no real revenue stream for the government right now, just for the politicians, lobbyists, Green activists, Al Gore, etc. Initially, it looked like they were going to sell a lot of the indulgences, but now seem to have given most of them away to favored parties to buy the votes necessary to pass this bill in the House.

What will be very interesting is what happens when it gets to the Senate. The Democrats now technically have a filibuster majority there (if they can get Bob Byrd and Teddy Kennedy out of the hospital long enough to vote), but the regional priorities are very different in the Senate than in the House. California only gets two votes there, Feinstein and Boxer, and not all those environmental wackos up and down the coast. A really nutso vote here by the Democrats in the Senate could possibly give the Republicans a filibuster proof majority in 3-5 years. I expect more farm and energy subsidization from the Senate, and less international do-gooding and loony alternate energy (excluding the problems of ethanol).
7.5.2009 9:42pm
theobromophile (www):
CaliforniaMom: that's the problem with treating carbon dioxide - a largely benign substance that is manufactured naturally by most organisms in this world - as the worst possible pollutant imaginable.

It's either massively near-sighted, or not about the environment at all.
7.5.2009 10:47pm
Psalm91 (mail):
"JM:

It is an example of Liberals Gone Mad."

John, the biggest analytic mistake is that all of this is some "liberal" issue. Goldman Sachs and the forces behind these things transcend petty ideological categories. Do you think that there would not be a similar development under a McCain? Don't be naive.
7.5.2009 11:23pm
Ricardo (mail):
Regarding Goldman Sachs' political influence, former CEO Hank Paulson was Bush's Treasury Secretary. When he made official visits to China during the Bush Administration, he was talking to some of the same officials he was meeting with a few years earlier as Goldman CEO when he was trying to secure Goldman a license to operate as a foreign investment bank in China (as far as I know, the only other non-Chinese investment bank licensed to operate in China is UBS).
7.6.2009 12:20am
californiamom:
I think the "homes must be remodeled to be energy-efficient before they can be sold" provision isn't known at all by the general public and will be very, very unpopular when it comes to light. Will the homeowner have to replace windows? Put in a new furnace or air conditioner? All new appliances? Roof? Insulation? People who still have equity left in their homes, hoping to cash it out on sale, will see it vanish in unnecessary re-dos. (Or raise the selling price of the home, which isn't really possible in this market).
7.6.2009 1:08am
John Moore (www):
Psalm91 - the whole push for this comes from the leftie "water-melon" environmentalists. McCain would not have faced far different circumstances and I don't think we would have had this miserable excuse for policy - this selling out the nation to special interests in the name of environmental puritanism - under McCain. Let's see how he votes in the Senate, shall we?

If you look at the the level of support for environmental nonsense, it is pretty strongly correlated with how far left one is on the political spectrum, so yes, it is indeed a liberal issue.
7.6.2009 1:44am
rosetta's stones:
John, I think Psalm 91 has it right. McCain was all-in on this AGW nonsense, as was Bush, as is Gingrich. Yes, this AGW push likely dovetails with the liberal drive for unlimited government, but there are many strains of that push, and those guys are some of them, and they are or at least were keystones in our body politic.

Now, you can make the claim that they're just cynically nodding their head and looking to kill this behind the scenes, or letting it die of its own accord. That's not leadership, however. It is not to be celebrated, it is to be called out. It is one of the many reasons that those of us who truly believe in a limited government cannot vote for the McCains of this world.
7.6.2009 9:34am
John Moore (www):
Rosetta, Bush didn't actually DO anything on AGW. I argue McCain wouldn't have either.

If you look at the shape of the AGW bill, it isn't about AGW. It is about Democrat pork. Republicans, while certainly not immune to the pork influence, would have done things far differently. Furthermore, they would know that raising taxes $600bn over AGW would destroy the support from their base.

So yeah, I think things would have been one hell of a lot better under McCain, even if he was off base on a number of subjects.


Now, you can make the claim that they're just cynically nodding their head and looking to kill this behind the scenes, or letting it die of its own accord. That's not leadership, however. It is not to be celebrated, it is to be called out. It is one of the many reasons that those of us who truly believe in a limited government cannot vote for the McCains of this world

Thereby dooming us to someone far, far worse. A foolish attitude, for sure.

If you are for limited government, then you have to fight it all the way, and if that means voting for a lesser of evils, and supporting that lesser of evils, that's part of the job.

Sticking to ideological purity and pouting is the route to failure.
7.6.2009 1:01pm
rosetta's stones:
John, McCain teamed up with Lieberman on the first global warming nonsense bill, so yes he did do something about it... action and not just words. I would expect him to do similar once in the WH. Again, this was a reason not to vote for that guy... one of many.

I don't much care for Obama, but would McCain have been any better? He stood side by side with Bush and Obama last Fall, championing this bailout madness. He was part of the problem.

In that election, we were going to get exactly the government we wanted... good and hard.

And no need to waste time voting for either of the fools giving it to us.
7.7.2009 11:56am
John Moore (www):
Rosetta,
The answer is very simple. Yes, we would have been better off with McCain. Take a look at the zillions of actions of the Obama administration. How many of those would McCain have followed? The answer is: not very many.
7.7.2009 12:19pm
rosetta's stones:
I say he follows most of 'em, John. AGW? Check. Foreign policy? Check, absent the World Apology Tour 2009 it's about what McCain would have done. Bailouts? Check. Stimulus? Check, with only the size as a potential variable. Sotomayor? Likely check, and no chance a firebreather gets through the Senate in any event. Health care? Too muddled to call. Immigration? Checkmate.
7.7.2009 1:46pm
John Moore (www):
It's easy to point to a few places where they are in agreement.

I would be very hard to point to the places where their policies would differ dramatically, simply because the number is way, way too large.

Let's start with appointees. Money to ACORN. Ethically challenged cabinet. Kissing the butts of all of our enemies; praising the butts of our enemies; admiring the butts of our enemies! Appointing racialist supreme court judges. Firing the ethics investigator. Reversing many campaign pledges. Cutting missile defense. Nationalizing General Motors. Handing over the economy to the labor unions. Cult of personality. Giving an iPod of his speeches to the Queen. Turning Hillary loose with a reset button. For a start.

Just because you disagree with McCain on several important issues (as do I) is no excuse for throwing up your hands and equating him with Obama.

I really get tired of conservatives who insist on perfection from their candidates. Reagan didn't fit the bill (screwed up his first foreign policy test by giving in to terrorists in the Beirut Marine Bombing; compromised with Democrats on economic foolishness; traded arms for hostages with Iran; etc). Shall we throw him out of the Pantheon?

Elections make a difference. EVERY candidate is different. The differences between McCain and The Annointed One were far more significant than the similarities. Furthermore, the very nature of the two party system means that when you elect a Democrat, you elect thousands of labor operatives, ACORN types, environmental wackos, pro-abortion activists, trans-national progressives, and other undesirables into positions of great power. We did that. Look beyond the surface.
7.7.2009 4:44pm
rosetta's stones:
John, those few places I mention are the critical places... and both guys are in functional alignment on them. They will determine the current and future direction of the country, and that direction will be constant no matter which wins.

There was no gamechanger in this election. There wasn't even a pinch hitting singles hitter.

Appointees? The same tax-dodging Wall Street crooks wind up at Treasury and the Fed, regardless. Geithner is the Sec., under either schmuck, I bet. Paulsen was a crook and a shyster, and McCain goes along with flimflams as did Bush, as he did when he sat with Bush/Obama last Fall, and blessed all this resultant madness. He lost my vote that day, not that he ever woulda got it, but he lost all chance, and with one action. Nice work, McCain.

Ethics? Need I remind you of McCain and the Keating 5? McCain is no more ethical than Obama, and Chicago ward heelers got nothin' on McCain's buddies, make no mistake.

I'll see your one ACORN and raise you one La Raza.

McCain would not have gone on the World Apology Tour, I grant you. But frankly, that's not necessarily harmful in the long term, even if foolish and unhelpful. Other things override that bit of Messiah stupidity, far override it.

Sotomayor or equal gets in no matter who's president, so this isn't an issue, imo.

McCain will screech at a bureaucrat, IG or otherwise, in a heartbeat. He intimidated that SEC director, remember? What a moron. In the middle of a fiscal disaster, he stumbles into rantings. Obama was smart enough to keep his mouth shut, at least. McCain is a loose cannon.

Cutting missile defense? Maybe short term, but that won't hold. We'll be doing this, for all of the reasons discussed elsewhere, as you know. Obama is privy to all of the intelligence now. He knows the threat. Reasonable people may differ as to how we meet that threat, but invariably missile defense will be brought forth, with or without Obama. No difference here.

But speaking of defense buys, what about McCain screwing US manufacturers on that Air Force tanker deal? Many tails to that story, no doubt, and he may have had a point, but he ended up pushing an extremist position, and now Airbus is bringing their accident prone jets into our airfleet, and cashing in. Huh?

Nationalizing GM? Yeah, there is a small chance McCain wouldn't have done this, but he's always spoken nicely about AFSCME, or at least not gone to war with them. That's the real union threat to this country's future... not a couple hundred thousand UAW members (who shouldn't have been bought out, I agree).

John, I'm looking beyond the surface, and I see no functional difference between Obama and McCain. They would both be bankrupting my grandchildren right now, pursuing AGW madness, signing off on some health care boondoggle, and seeking a way to give citizenship for 15M illegal aliens to glom onto the welfare state, further bankrupting us. Those things matter more than all else. YMMV.
7.7.2009 5:13pm
John Moore (www):
Well, we'll just have to agree to disagree.

Also, you say McCain is as corrupt as Obama. That's either high praise for Obama or a terribly inappropriate insult for McCain.

If there's one thing I know about McCain, in spite of my many policy disagreements with him, it's that he's an honorable man. In fact, some of his mistaken policies are due to his honor overriding his rationality. BTW... don't fall for the liberal BS on the Keating-5 either. If you don't understand how government, not Charles Keating, caused the S&L collapse, then you need to review your history.

As for the illegal aliens, we have no choice but to adapt to their presence, unless you favor the largest ethnic cleansing in world history. The original error was letting them all in. It would be a terrible compounding, at this point, to kick them all out.
7.7.2009 7:22pm
rosetta's stones:
I'm not advocating kicking out everybody, John. It's not an either/or situation. There are reasonable solutions, but another classic Beltway "comprehensive" solution, is a non-starter, as "comprehensive" solutions are massively complex, bring on unintended consequences and cost massive $$$... always. Simple steps, simply executed, are the key to this issue and most others. McCain eschews this type of thinking, and goes Beltway, because he is a creature of government, just like Obama.

McCain intervened in the Keating 5 situation, just like Dodd and Frank have done recently in similar situations. They all get paid by the people they're helping. They are bought and paid for... all of these men.... and we can check the receipts on their purchasings... as well as their actions given in trade.

Yes, government caused the S&L scandal, and McCain was part of that government. He's also been part of the recent scandal, even if to a smaller degree than in the past. He's tainted.

I do not acknowledge McCain to be an "honorable" man, sorry. His military service was honorable, no doubt, but he's acted despicably in more than a couple instances since leaving the military. He deserves no more deference than any other Beltway Bandit.

And by the way, he originally rejected the Bush tax cuts, and played the class warfare "for the rich" card, just like Comrade Obama.

Nope, no dice on this guy.
7.8.2009 10:25am

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