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More Evidence of the Promising Future of the Palestinian Government:

WorldNetDaily reports (and please e-mail me if you have transcripts or quotes that confirm or deny this):

United States churches are secretly run by Jews who converted to Christianity with the intention of controlling religious Americans including President Bush, a top Hamas member claims.

"Even the churches where the Americans pray are led by Jews who were converted to Christianity, but they were converted to keep controlling the Americans," Mohammad Abu Tir, the number two Hamas terrorist in the newly formed Palestinian Authority government said during an exclusive interview from his home yesterday with top radio host Rusty Humphries and WND Jerusalem bureau chief Aaron Klein.

"I made a study and I know very well that all this radicalism in some parts of the Christianity, (including) the Anglicans who are being led by Bush, is because of the control of Zionists," said Abu Tir....

Abu Tir was elected to the number two spot in the PA in January's legislative ballots in which Hamas won by a large margin. He spent nearly 25 years in Israeli prisons for directing terror activities, including the attempted poisoning in the early 1990s of Israel's water supplies....

BU2L (mail):
The insanity of their rhetoric bears a proportional relationship to how broke they are. It's like the girl whose credit card debt is mounting so she flips out at her waitress/boyfriend/boss, etc. Clearly, the solution is for the UN to give them some more money for new trinkets - C4, AK's, and Beemers for the top bunch. Then the PA can calm down for a bit.
4.6.2006 8:06pm
Sha_kri:
Well something is going on. The amount of money we give to Israel is ludicrous. Who else do you think the the Arabs are going to blame. They will no doubt keep the blame in said direction until the real reason is established. (No, I do not claim to know what the real reason is)
4.6.2006 8:31pm
Vovan:
"I made a study and I know very well that all this radicalism in some parts of the Christianity, (including) the Anglicans who are being led by Bush, is because of the control of Zionists,"

That would fit perfectly into revised version of the Israel Lobby. Walt and Mearsheimer should listen closely, hell of a new material
4.6.2006 8:32pm
Raw_Data (mail):
This must be a late April 1 post.
4.6.2006 8:45pm
Mike BUSL07 (mail) (www):
Sha Kri,

you are right about one thing. Whoever the Arabs do blame, experience tells us it's not going to be the Arabs. Maybe if they could, how-you-say? stop spending all their money on suicide terrorism and mansions, maybe the economic difference between them and the Zionist Enimy, wouldn't be so, shall we say, noticeable.
4.6.2006 8:49pm
Vovan:
Well that's why HAMAS was elected, less mansions, more bombers, the FATAH couldn't even get the bombers part right.

Here Abu Tir is using the only logic that he can muster - religion - to explain US support for Israel - from his severely limited standpoint it all makes sense.

Cyrus the Virus from Con Air bettered himself in prison and got a degree, Abu Tir just picked up more conspiracy theories - wasted 25 years.
4.6.2006 8:56pm
Gene Vilensky (mail) (www):
Never mind that Bush is a Baptist and not an Anglican. But let's not let the facts get in the way of a nice narrative, huh?
4.6.2006 9:07pm
Steve:
Is that right? My Methodist relatives seem to think the President is a Methodist.
4.6.2006 9:50pm
Mike BUSL07 (mail) (www):
Steve, Gene - I may, for disclosing this, suffer an "accident," but the President is actually a Jew. He was born Chaim Mendelsohn, in Brooklyn, NY, but with the aid of Mossad, created a new identity and was elected to the US Presidency. He now carries out the will of the Worldwide Zionist Conspiracy - or so my sources in Hamas tell me.
4.6.2006 9:54pm
jvarisco:
"Even the churches where the Americans pray are led by Jews who were converted to Christianity, but they were converted to keep controlling the Americans," Mohammad Abu Tir, the number two Hamas terrorist in the newly formed Palestinian Authority government said during an exclusive interview from his home yesterday with top radio host Rusty Humphries and WND Jerusalem bureau chief Aaron Klein.


Sounds like unbiased reporting to me.
4.6.2006 9:54pm
SenatorX (mail):
It's called Projection. The Saudi Wahhabi machine lives inside them forcing them to war with the West. Since it permeates everything in their world they cannot help but project the opposite into external world. The enemy is the Jews because that is how the Saudi's consolidated Islam around THEM. Everything is Islam in crisis against Zion plots. It's clever but not as a slogan from puppets.

The sad part is the Bush/Saudi tie. While we have a "war on terror" our leader allies with the two faced propagators of terror against us.

Yeah there is a great Jewish conspiracy. It's called being a Jew and not wanting to get killed. Are there small Jewish conspiracies? Sure why not? People are people and Jews are not special in that regard. But is there a vast Jewish conspiracy against Islam? Only in so much as there is a vast Islamic conspiracy against the Jews (and the West).
4.6.2006 10:19pm
Chris of MM (mail) (www):
Of course, this is the WorldNetDaily that reported that there was a conspiracy between Castro and Saddam to unleash biological weapons on the U.S., with West Nile Virus being the result of that conspiracy, so you can never know how seriously to take anything those nuts say.
4.6.2006 10:41pm
Chris Lawrence (mail) (www):
Wait, I thought the Bush administration was supposed to be in the pocket of the Saudis... but they're also in the pocket of the Jews. Help me, I'm confused.

This can only mean that the Jews control the Saudis, or the Saudis control the Jews. Now it all makes sense!
4.6.2006 11:07pm
Dave Hardy (mail) (www):
Steve, Gene - I may, for disclosing this, suffer an "accident," but the President is actually a Jew. He was born Chaim Mendelsohn, in Brooklyn, NY, but with the aid of Mossad, created a new identity and was elected to the US Presidency. He now carries out the will of the Worldwide Zionist Conspiracy - or so my sources in Hamas tell me.

That's nothing! They tipped me that Franklin Delano Roosevelt's name was really Rosenfeld!
4.6.2006 11:15pm
Justin Kee (mail):
Is the WorldNetDaily a credible source?
4.6.2006 11:49pm
Mike BUSL07 (mail) (www):
Judging by the apparent plausibility of the statement in question, I think with respect to it, WND is a perfectly credible source. If you consistently pay attention to the hateful idiocy regularly spewed by the PA, this one isn't too great of a shock.
4.6.2006 11:57pm
Smitty18 (mail):
I'm waiting for the evidence redbeard, reveal the secrets.
4.6.2006 11:59pm
Dave Hardy (mail) (www):
This can only mean that the Jews control the Saudis, or the Saudis control the Jews. Now it all makes sense!

The Quadrilateral Commission controls both. It lets the Trilateral Commission -- its well-known but actually impotent front -- claim the credit. When its members go to the UK they break into the Baron Rothschild's wine cellar, demand sexual favors from the royal family (OK, OK, it's not for the fun of it, but to show power), and debate whether it's time for another war. Right now the question is whether to order the Pope to declare a crusade.
4.7.2006 1:17am
Peter Wimsey:
Well that's why HAMAS was elected, less mansions, more bombers, the FATAH couldn't even get the bombers part right.


It's probably not too far off to characterize Hamas' position as being that, by eliminating the corruption and inefficiency of fatah, the palestinians can have more mansions and more bombs.
4.7.2006 2:25am
Fern:
I don't know if the WND piece is accurate, but anyone with a beard like Abu Tir's is definitely crazy.
4.7.2006 3:31am
M. Simon (mail) (www):
4.7.2006 4:32am
Bruce Hayden (mail) (www):
Last I knew, Bush was Methodist, because of Laura (interestingly, Hillary is also Methodist, but Bill IS Baptist). I would guess that he would probably be Baptist now except for that. As I understand it though, he was raised Anglican, so they got that right.

But one thing I find interesting (and I think they don't understand) is that the practicing Jews I know pretty much despise their brethern who do convert to Christianity. It is worse, much worse, than voting Republican. There is a group of Messianic Jews in Frisco, CO, who run an A&W, and they are constantly under pressure from A&W due to pressure put on the franchisor by the Jewish community. At Christmas time, it was a bit weird, Jewish newspapers lying around, some in Hebrew, with Christmas carols blaring in the background.
4.7.2006 5:32am
SenatorX (mail):
"I don't know if the WND piece is accurate, but anyone with a beard like Abu Tir's is definitely crazy."

Like Mohammed? I had read he liked to stain his beard red with henna(?) or something. Thats why they do it.
4.7.2006 10:44am
SimonD (www):
"I made a study and I know very well that all this radicalism in some parts of the Christianity, (including) the Anglicans who are being led by Bush, is because of the control of Zionists," said Abu Tir....
That study, probably not available on SSRN...;)
4.7.2006 11:12am
Meryl Yourish (www):
WND is a sometimes-credible source. This is the kind of article where they tend to be believable, because really, these nuts say garbage like this all the time. Just take a look at the files over on MEMRI.

If Jews had all the power that everyone else says we had, I'm thinking there'd be far less anti-Semitism in the world. But hey, I'm speaking as a member of the conspiracy, so I'm obviously just messing with your heads.
4.7.2006 11:18am
Abe Delnore:
I am pretty sure that Palestinians and other Arabs of the Levant commonly confuse Anglicans with Protestants generally. It's actually a kind of metonymy (naming a part to signify the whole). The main contact of Palestinians with Protestant--that is, non-Catholic and non-Orthodox--Christianity was with the Anglican Church of the British who occupied Palestine during the Mandate. So just as Arabs for a long time referred to all Europeans as "Franks," so all Protestants might be called "Anglicans."

If you substitute "Protestants" for "Anglicans" then Abu Tir's statement makes a bit more sense. He means "those foreign imperialist Christians, as opposed to our local Christians as long as they stay in line."
4.7.2006 11:47am
BobH (mail):
MUAHAHHahahahahahaha!!!!

Rabbi Katz
4.7.2006 11:58am
Houston Lawyer:
Obviously this guy was locked in the same prison cell with Lyndon LaRouche and Jim Baker.
4.7.2006 12:35pm
Closet Libertarian:
Well, Hamas is nuts, but one of the biggest fundamental christian churches in the DC area, McLean Bible, is led by a Jew, as in Jews for Jesus.
4.7.2006 1:45pm
Gordo:
Around 1500, Torquemada and the Spanish elites were making similar arguments about secret Jews subverting Spanish Catholicism for their own ends.

So Christians have done this too.

Of course, they did it 500 years ago. Can the world wait 500 years for the Hamas gang to join the modern world?
4.7.2006 2:31pm
IdleScientist:
Closet Libertarian:
You have the Jews for Jesus causality link reversed. J4J was founded by a Baptist minister and is funded by evangelical Christian groups. A J4J member in a position of influence is in no way indicative of Jewish influence, but rather the influence of evangelicalism targeted at Jews.

I don't have detailed references, but the wikipedia entry is a good start.
4.7.2006 3:22pm
Mike BUSL07 (mail) (www):
The only significance of J4J is that now we have those "Jews for Jeter" shirts that kids in NY wear. Those are funny. J4J on the other hand... well, it's debatable to what extent one can stop being a Jew, at least in terms of Judaism, as opposed to self-identification.
4.7.2006 4:00pm
David M. Nieporent (www):
The only significance of J4J is that now we have those "Jews for Jeter" shirts that kids in NY wear. Those are funny. J4J on the other hand... well, it's debatable to what extent one can stop being a Jew, at least in terms of Judaism, as opposed to self-identification.
Well, it's not too much of a debate in this case, because very few J4J were ever Jews.
4.7.2006 6:39pm
Friedrich Foresight (mail):
Aren't these fellows here claiming "Jews, Christians, whatever" the same ones who still have a big complaint (Bill Clinton assures us) about the Crusades, when the pork-eating Trinitarian branch of Abrahamic monotheism ganged up on the non-pork-eating, Unitarian branches?

The Crusaders killed and persecuted a lot of Jews as well as Muslims, which you'd think would give them a lot more credit among Hamas et al today. They also killed a lot of Muslims too, but meh, so too does suicide-bombing and Hamas is fine with that. As long as it kills Jews, who cares how many Muslims go too?
4.7.2006 7:00pm
Clayton E. Cramer (mail) (www):

Around 1500, Torquemada and the Spanish elites were making similar arguments about secret Jews subverting Spanish Catholicism for their own ends.
Torquemada came from a prominent converso family, by the way.
4.10.2006 12:43pm