The Volokh Conspiracy

Libertarians and Liberals:

Brink Lindsey's proposal for a libertarian-liberal alliance (described here and here), has produced a lot of debate, including Todd Zywicki's post (linked below).

In my view, it is important to differentiate the theory of intellectual coherence between liberalism and libertarianism from the much more dubious possibility of a political alliance. In my view, liberal and libertarian ideologies have much in common. But that commonality is unlikely to lead to a political alliance anytime soon.

At the level of ideology and political theory, libertarians and liberals have much in common, probably more than libertarians and most conservatives do. Both groups value individual liberty; both believe that the government should generally stay out of religious and "values" issues, which should be left to individual choice (though there are some countervailing strands of thought on this among some "communitarian" and feminist liberals); both place no special value on tradition; and both want to maximize individual happiness and utility. Some conservatives also share these values, but there are a great many who do not because their version of conservatism stems from either an adherence to traditionalism for its own sake or fundamentalist religious principles.

Setting aside foreign policy (about which libertarians have deep internal differences), this ideological commonality can translate into some important areas of agreement on public policy. In particular - as a matter of ideological theory - liberals and libertarians should be able to agree to restrict government efforts to undermine "personal" liberties and also to oppose the many government interventions into economic affairs that redistribute to the wealthy and/or middle class at the expense of relatively poorer segments of the population. Such policies are extremely common, especially given that the poor have relatively little influence over the political process.

In practice, however, real-world liberal politicians are unlikely to move in this direction in the near future because of the Democratic Party's heavy dependence on interest groups - such as public employees unions - that have a vested interest in extending the size and scope of government regardless of whether the poor are harmed. For this reason, I doubted that the "libertarian Democrat" movement promoted by Daily Kos and others would ever amount to much. In principle, ideological liberals should support such libertarian economic policies as reducing farm subsidies, free trade, school vouchers, eliminating pork, and eliminating Social Security and Medicare payments that go to relatively wealthy seniors. All of them would increase personal freedom, and curtail government redistribution from the relatively poor to the relatively rich. In practice, the Democratic Party is unlikely to embrace any of these because of its dependence on powerful interest groups that find them inimical.

In addition to these interest-based concerns, many liberal intellectuals and policy analysts are simply unwilling to place any major emphasis on those non-civil liberties issues where they agree with libertarians. For example, most liberal intellectuals will, if pressed, agree that farm subsidies, porkbarrel spending, and the like are bad. But few consider their elimination a major priority. For reasons that I don't fully understand, most of them are much more enthusiastic about those parts of the liberal agenda that require expanding government than those that imply contraction. This has slowly changed over the last thirty years, as more liberal thinkers have begun to appreciate some of the virtues of markets and civil society. But the pace of change has been quite slow, and there has even been some backsliding in recent years.

There is, perhaps, a deeper problem here: most liberal intellectuals are reluctant to attribute flawed government economic policies to inherent shortcomings of the political process as opposed to the machinations of specific "evil" or "greedy" politicians and interest groups. There is a strong tendency to believe that most such flaws could be cured if only the "bad guys" such as George Bush were removed from office. I hope that, over time, liberal thinkers will bring to government economic policy the same kind of skepticism and realism that they apply to government policy on civil liberties; few of them believe that government could be trusted to regulate our sex lives or engage in warrantless searches merely because the Democrats are in office rather than the Republicans. But this too will be a slow and gradual process, if it happens at all.

None of these points precludes alliances of convenience between liberals and libertarians on particular issues. And it is possible that liberal thought will over time move further in the relatively promarket direction outlined above (and also by some "New Democrat" groups). For the foreseeable future, however, there is unlikely to be a broad libertarian-liberal alliance.

Ramza:
Full article here at the Cato Website

http://www.cato.org/pub_display.php?pub_id=6800
12.4.2006 8:59pm
Ken Stalter (www):
How certain are you that liberals value individual liberty? That has not been my experience. It seems to me that most liberals are more than willing to compromise individual liberties in the name of certain equality ideals or economic policies.
12.4.2006 9:22pm
Howard in Boston:
Ilya,

I'd quibble with the assertion that liberals value individual happiness and utility as a matter of philosophical principle. It seems to me that liberals, in clear contrast with libertarians, value communal happiness and utility more greatly than at the individual level - and liberals also believe that they know the right way to aggregate individual utility into the social welfare function (or, at the very least, they're willing to try).
12.4.2006 10:31pm
Chumund:
There are some real cartoon images of liberals in this thread. Of course, probably some people who consider themselves liberal largely fit the descriptions above, but in my experience many do not, and obviously the idea would be for libertarians to work with those more libertarian-minded liberals.
12.5.2006 6:46am
Thorley Winston (mail) (www):
In principle, ideological liberals should support such libertarian economic policies as reducing farm subsidies, free trade, school vouchers, eliminating pork, and eliminating Social Security and Medicare payments that go to relatively wealthy seniors.


I’m not sure what an “ideological liberal[]” is (must be using “liberal” the way the Cato Institute and practically no normal person uses the term) but the last time that we had a Democratic Senate they brought back farm subsidies and pushed for higher levels of spending than the GOP House (so much for “divided government”) and they killed the school voucher provision in NCLB and complained that Bush still wasn’t spending enough. Their last presidential ticket courted the protectionist elements of the party while bashing NAFTA and voting to restore the Byrd Amendment. During the debate over Medicare Part D they fought tooth and nail against means testing and just regained control of Congress by largely promising to impose price controls on prescription drugs through “negotiation” in order to eliminate the little means-testing that Republicans were able to put in the program.
12.5.2006 9:49am
Deo:
So both liberals and libertarians are utilitarians, but conservatives aren't? That doesn't seem right at all- perhaps you've been spending too much time with economists.
12.5.2006 9:50am
Eric Winter (mail):
I would amplify the point made elsewhere in this comment thread that the description of liberals Ilya offers is both simplistic and misleading. While liberals will often their rhetoric in terms of individual liberty, their actual agenda has little to do with it. Generally, they only support individual liberty in terms of artistic and sexual expression, and in such cases their interest is actually in usurping tradition, not in individual liberty. In fact, they're more than willing to supplant free expression to notions of equality or progressivism when they need to.
12.5.2006 12:32pm
Greg D (mail):
Both groups value individual liberty; both believe that the government should generally stay out of religious and "values" issues, which should be left to individual choice

Wow, what liberals have you been dealing with? American liberals are opposed to personal responsibility, not in favor of personal freedom. Been on a college campus recently? I must admit I missed the times when conservatives were pushing speach codes, trying to shut down groups for "offending someone", mobilizing the thugs to shut down speakers they don't like, and pushing admissions policies that downgrade individual merit so they can upgrade the importance of group membership. Silly me, I thought it was "liberals" who were doing all those things.

Then there's the minimum wage, and all the other economic BS the liberals push in the name of "fairness" (i.e. where they try to use the government to impose their values on the rest of us).

The only times liberals come down on the side of "personal freedom" is on issues where what they're actually doing is trying to help people avoid the consequences of their actions (see "abortion").

Then there's the whole school choice / vouchers - Social Security "privitization" thing. To be an American "liberal" is to be fundamentally opposed to letting people run their own lives, and benefit (or lose) based on the consequences of their decisions. All the hand waving in the world can't mask that important difference between "liberals", and libertarians.
12.5.2006 7:48pm
Hugh Fitzgerald:
In my experience, there are a lot of young (teenage and college age) libertarians right now that were turned off to conservatism and Republicanism by President Bush and the religious right. They have no impression of the historical link between libertarianism and conservatism, and instead actually associate personal freedom with liberalism. They don't think of a lot of the traditional Democratic issues like gun control and redistribution of wealth as central to a liberal ideology because those issues have been out of the national debate for the last ten years.

Perhaps this new crop of libertarian-liberals will make the Democratic Party and modern liberalism more welcome to libertarians in the next twenty years.
12.6.2006 3:53pm
Eric Dondero (mail) (www):
All this talk of "libertarian Democrats."

Democrats may want to link up with us libertarians, but we libertarians have little if any interest whatsoever of linking up with Democrats.

Put aside for a moment our huge disagreements on economic issues.

Democrats are even bad these days on civil liberties. Who is pushing all the smoking bans all over the US? Democrats. Who is it that's calling for a return to the Military Draft? Democrats. Who was it that blocked our brave libertarian petitioners for property rights and got our libertarian petitions kicked off the ballots all over the US like MT, MO, and NV in 2006? Democrats. Who is it that protests and disrupts speeches by libertarians on college campuses all over the US? Democrats. Who is it that wants to take our guns away? Democrats.

Who is it that supports anti-libertarian affirmative action laws? Who is it that supports seat belt laws? Who is it that wants to force little kids riding bicycles to weat helmets? Answer to all the above: Democrats

When was the last time you even heard a Democrat supporting legalization of marijuana?

There are virtually no areas of agreement between Democrats and libertarians. Maybe Pro-Choice on abortion and Gay Rights. But even there Dems want government funding and "special rights for Gays"(which we libertarians oppose).

Further, how many libertarians ever win election as Democrats? Virtually none. How many libertarians win as Republicans? Hundreds like former Libertarian Party Presidential candidate Ron Paul now a Republican Congressman from Texas.

"libertarian Democrat"? A stupid idea if there ever was one.

Eric Dondero at www.mainstreamlibertarian.com
12.9.2006 10:28am