Steve Teles Responds:

Steve Teles, author of The Rise of the Conservative Legal Movement, has sent me a reply to some of the criticisms of his arguments that David Bernstein and I have made. In particular, he responds to our claims that he didn't pay sufficient attention to the social conservative wing of the movement as opposed to the libertarian one. It is ironic that two libertarians should make this particular criticism. But I think it's hard to analyze the libertarian/conservative legal movement as a whole without taking due account of its social conservative element.

The response is a bit lengthy for a blog post, so I put it below the fold. But scholars and others interested in the history of the conservative and libertarian legal movement should find it of great interest:

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Tim Dowling (mail):
I’m coming to this discussion late, and so this issue might have been covered already. But I think there is a more serious division within the “conservative legal movement” than simply libertarians vs. social conservatives. The division I have in mind concerns the extent to which various members of the movement are constrained by the text and original understanding of the Constitution. For many in the movement, text and original understanding seem to be the sine qua non of their jurisprudential philosophy. For others, the use of the courts to advance conservative or libertarian political theories seems to predominate their thinking, even if it sometimes comes at the expense of text and original understanding.

Of course, the distinction has many shades of grey, and I don’t mean to suggest that everyone in the movement falls neatly on one side or the other. But it has always struck me that certain members of the movement have much more in common (jurisprudentially) with result-oriented liberals than with those who seek to apply text and history and let the political chips fall where they may.
3.4.2008 9:26am
Joe Bingham (mail):
their complements aside

I thought that was funny, because it made me picture DB, IS, and OK as complementary angles. Heheh.

I assume he meant compliments ;) (I don't usually critique spelling on here; I'm terrible at it. I just thought this was a particularly amusing typo.)
3.4.2008 10:34am
Joe Bingham (mail):
Heck, maybe I can write that book. I'm from the churches of Christ, affectionately christened a "cult" by the media during Ken Starr's moment in the spotlight. Huzzah.
3.4.2008 10:39am
Kent Scheidegger (mail) (www):
I didn't see any discussion of criminal law in Teles's response. Is there any in his book?
3.4.2008 11:21am
OrinKerr:
Kent,

No, there isn't, in part because the primary attention is on large organizations and litigating groups. Although I agree with an earlier comment that CJLF and your work should have been discussed.
3.4.2008 11:49am
Steven Teles:
I didn't deal with CJLF in the book, just as I didn't do anything on, for example, Right to Work stuff. In general, I made a decision to go for depth rather than breadth, and some things didn't make the cut. In the book I said that this I was trying to open up an area of inquiry, rather than write the last and final word. I think part of the reason why there is a dearth of work on much of the conservative legal movement (I mean serious scholarship, not hack-work) is that there is a perception that academics won't be given open access to organizational materials and frank interviews. I would strongly encourage Kent to make it known that if someone is doing a serious, scholarly project on the subject, that he would be happy to cooperate (including opening up his files, as Olin, Federalist Society, LEC, etc. did for me).
3.4.2008 3:10pm
Steven Teles:
Sorry for typo in post above, as well as the positively bizzare use of complements rather than compliments. My Junior High English teachers failed, apparently, to beat into me the need to check my work...
3.4.2008 3:12pm
Kent Scheidegger (mail) (www):
Lest there be any misunderstanding, I'm not offended that CJLF was not within the scope of the study. I have noticed, though, that criminal law tends to be overlooked, which is curious given its prominence on the Supreme Court's docket and its role as a major issue in past elections (although not recent ones).
3.4.2008 5:10pm
Joe Bingham (mail):
Lest there be any misunderstanding, I'm not offended that CJLF was not within the scope of the study. I have noticed, though, that criminal law tends to be overlooked, which is curious given its prominence on the Supreme Court's docket and its role as a major issue in past elections (although not recent ones).

I'm clearly no expert in any topic being discussed here (especially spelling), but might it be that criminal law is treated less often in conservative/liberal discussions because it's more difficult to categorize perspectives on criminal law as "conservative" or "liberal"? Usually, when people do describe a perspective on criminal law as either "conservative" or "liberal," in my experience, it seems like it's because they're trying to dismiss that perspective.
3.4.2008 7:47pm
TGGP (mail) (www):
Who was it that said the only thing that the members of the Federalist Society had in common was opposition to affirmative action?
3.4.2008 9:08pm
OrinKerr:
TGGP,

I don't know who said that, although many Federalist Society members are not opposed to affirmative action.
3.5.2008 11:31pm
Steven Teles:
I think that TGGP's comment illustrates much of the problem people have had in understanding the Federalist Society. They assume that there must be some particular policy or position that everyone in the Society converges on. I think that one gets much further by looking for the glue of the Society in what all active members oppose, than what they support. Pretty well all members have some strong reason to dislike (at least) legal liberalism, even if the reasons they do so vary considerably.
3.6.2008 1:14pm